time for ukraine to surrender?

should ukraine surrender to russia?

  • yes

    Votes: 10 8.7%
  • no

    Votes: 82 71.3%
  • west should intervene militarily

    Votes: 23 20.0%

  • Total voters
    115

spin cycle

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north norfolk
as title.......they're not going to win despite their gallant efforts......civilians starting to get killed as russian army resorts to tactics used in chechyna and syria.....the only way they could win is with western military support risking escalation....for their and greater good should they give up and hope sanctions force russia back:(
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
as title.......they're not going to win despite their gallant efforts......civilians starting to get killed as russian army resorts to tactics used in chechyna and syria.....the only way they could win is with western military support risking escalation....for their and greater good should they give up and hope sanctions force russia back:(
Afraid the longer this goes on the bloodier it will get & more & more innocent Ukrainian's lives will be ruined, the West are doing no one any favours by prolonging Putin's rampage.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
as title.......they're not going to win despite their gallant efforts......civilians starting to get killed as russian army resorts to tactics used in chechyna and syria.....the only way they could win is with western military support risking escalation....for their and greater good should they give up and hope sanctions force russia back:(
They are going to win, meaning see the Russians leave their country and remain a sovereign democracy.

It will be a hard thing, but you overestimate Russian capacity and underestimate the cost of their war.

Nobody will doubt Putin's readiness to resort to the most horrible methods, yet there is no way a country such as Ukraine can be held against its will by the forces Russia has; still less when there are and shall remain virtually unlimited arms and funds available to Ukraine

Your defeatism is both unnecessary and quite revolting; it isn't a 'sober assessment', it isn't the 'lesser of two evils', have the courage to call it what it plainly is, a call on a people to allow themselves to be enslaved, again.
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
They are going to win, meaning see the Russians leave their country and remain a sovereign democracy.

It will be a hard thing, but you overestimate Russian capacity and underestimate the cost of their war.

Nobody will doubt Putin's readiness to resort to the most horrible methods, yet there is no way a country such as Ukraine can be held against its will by the forces Russia has; still less when there are and shall remain virtually unlimited arms and funds available to Ukraine

Your defeatism is both unnecessary and quite revolting; it isn't a 'sober assessment', it isn't the 'lesser of two evils', have the courage to call it what it plainly is, a call on a people to allow themselves to be enslaved, again.
You have to admire your unending optimism in the face of reality, let’s just hope the Chinese leadership comes to the rescue before too much longer.
 
Your defeatism is both unnecessary and quite revolting; it isn't a 'sober assessment', it isn't the 'lesser of two evils', have the courage to call it what it plainly is, a call on a people to allow themselves to be enslaved, again.


How many people have to die, how much has to be destroyed, how many people have to flee ?

What is the pretense ? That people won't be able to escape ? Are the Russian people unable to exist ? Will the Ukranians never have the chance to live a different life ?

All they will have to do is wait for Russia to collapse again.

For most ordinary people there will be little difference. They will have food, shelter, warmth and be able to raise a family.

I realised today you live in Wales. One of the least likely places to get wiped out in a Nuclear Strike. I live between 4 major cities in England.

Russia isn't going to strike where you live .. easy to talk big when you are not in the firing line. Other people will have to put their lives and the lives of their families. I find your opinion revolting.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin, France
President Zelenskiy's speech tonight

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Lazy Eric

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Under no circumstances should the west intervene in Ukrainian, only if Russia enters a NATO country. If the west and Russia end up at war , it’s game over, for Civilisation. The threat of nuclear warfare is very real and very scary as people 45 plus on here will no doubt remember the Cold War.
 
He has the most to loose. Has the most power. Yet exhorts the poorest to fight for him.

The pretense he will have any power to hunt those who started the war is idiotic beyond belief. That route would require Russia to be crushed which would start a Nuclear war.
This moment was always going to come since 1945.

So much blood has been shed on both sides.

We can't see another country attacked like this. I think NATO should attack with a large force (ukraine) & then be prepared to attack Russia itsself. Putin will be killed by his own staff long before, he presses any buttons.
 
This moment was always going to come since 1945.

So much blood has been shed on both sides.

We can't see another country attacked like this. I think NATO should attack with a large force (ukraine) & then be prepared to attack Russia itsself. Putin will be killed by his own staff long before, he presses any buttons.


The Russian establishment - which would be deposed in such a situation, lose everything they have, their families, property, assets & power - are going to all collaborate so in your vision they can also be killed ?

Same with most of the Military. They are all going to comply so you can have your fantasy of Russian death ?
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
This moment was always going to come since 1945.

So much blood has been shed on both sides.

We can't see another country attacked like this. I think NATO should attack with a large force (ukraine) & then be prepared to attack Russia itsself. Putin will be killed by his own staff long before, he presses any buttons.
And if he isn’t?
 

yellowbelly

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Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
they're not going to win despite their gallant efforts......civilians starting to get killed as russian army resorts to tactics used in chechyna and syria.
They can't win against vastly superior fire power and numbers but the decision to surrender can only be made by the Ukrainians themselves. As long as they've a desire to keep fighting then the west should keep feeding arms and equipment to them across the Polish border. Sadly, in the end the inevitable will happen.

Direct intervention by the West inevitably means armageddon, so that's not an option as it will be the end of the world.

All Russian money/property/assets in the West should be seized and every Russian national should be deported immediately and without exception. All trade with Russia should cease - it'll be a bit like financial suicide but we'll just have to learn to live with it.
 
Another brave hero who isn't going to be vapourised. Living on the edge of Ireland. How brave of you to risk millions of lives.

I always thought there was no positives to nuclear war until your initial post in this thread.

What an odd view that being vapourised is not preferable to a questionable existence in the aftermath of nuclear Armageddon.

Jog on.
 

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