Times: 'Beef report was biased, admits BBC' - sanctions for BBC and Bonnin?

uztrac

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Arable Farmer
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fakenham-norfolk
There is a very simple answer to this. The BBC should be made to make a programme showing the facts and that British farming is not harmful. No little "oops" in a paper that the majority of people do not read.

So I challenge you, BBC, show the truth. Does not fit your agenda? Tough! We pay for your existance. Tell the truth, not what you want to be the truth.
For so long they have produced biased reporting,I have not trusted them for a long long time.The bbc world service along with Radio4 are the worst culprits.
 

delilah

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For so long they have produced biased reporting,I have not trusted them for a long long time.The bbc world service along with Radio4 are the worst culprits.

I heard Patrick Holden say on the radio "If you want to save the planet, eat red meat". It was the BBC. Funny how it wasn't edited out, must have slipped through the net ?
I have never subscribed to all of this 'The BBC are biased' stuff that is constantly trotted out on here. The BBC aren't biased, we are crap at using the media.
 

DaveGrohl

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Mixed Farmer
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Cumbria
Surely the main argument should be that ultimately cows are recycling carbon in the form of methane, while the rest of the world is digging it out of the ground and burning something that has locked carbon away for millions of years!
Then on top of that, if there's no cows then there's not much need of grass so all that permanent pasture that's storing carbon is going to be released to grow something that vegans can eat thinking that they're saving the world!

Insane.
Totally. It's what I've been trying to get across for ages.
 

Sid

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Bloody NFU are useless


 

DaveGrohl

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Location
Cumbria
What is annoying me, is the growing trend to to slip anti red meat or pro vegan propaganda into totally unrelated programs. What's worse is that fact that this rhetoric is often totally wrong or misleading. :mad:
Do they do that in France? It's absolutely rife over here now. Presenters just slip it in as if it's simply a known fact these days. I've lost count of the times I've heard "we all know that cutting down on meat is the best way to help the planet". We really are heading down a bizarre road as a race.
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Do they do that in France? It's absolutely rife over here now. Presenters just slip it in as if it's simply a known fact these days. I've lost count of the times I've heard "we all know that cutting down on meat is the best way to help the planet". We really are heading down a bizarre road as a race.

'kin Roger Harrabin from the BBC is possibly one of the worst offenders, I cannot even leave the radio on if he is doing a piece..
 

texelburger

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Herefordshire
It's an absolutely awful article. It repeatedly says that cows are damaging the planet.
When Mo Farah does his Quorn advert, does he say "By the way kids, your body isn't remotely designed to run on this sh!t, and producing it consumes a huge amount of energy and resources".
So long as the best the NFU can come up with is 'cows are bad for the planet, but British cows aren't as bad as foreign cows' then it is completely pointless moaning about TV programmes.

It is entirely possible to write a short, easily understood piece, digestable by the general public, that portrays cows as being absolutely crucial to a stable climate. All of the raw material has repeatedly been posted by folks on here. Why can't the NFU deliver such a positive message ?
Absolutely, I think,perhaps,the NFU have been a little brainwashed by the BBC and their agenda.The NFU seem to concede on many matters these days.Limp.
 

Barleycorn

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Hampshire
In their defence, the BBC does regularly show programmes such as The Farmers Country Showdown, and This Farming Life, which show livestock farmers in a good light. Even Countryfile shows livestock in a good light as well..
 

Celt83

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Livestock Farmer
What is annoying me, is the growing trend to to slip anti red meat or pro vegan propaganda into totally unrelated programs. What's worse is that fact that this rhetoric is often totally wrong or misleading. :mad:
Sky sports news!!

It was transfer deadline day just been and the presenter announced that sky were committed to being carbon zero by such a such date. Great!

But then she added that "we've even had a vegetarian breakfast". I thought that was a cheap shot and unnecessary, but then one of the pundits said "I always start the day with a good old British fry up"!

Take that I shouted at the TV!! 😂
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Do they do that in France? It's absolutely rife over here now. Presenters just slip it in as if it's simply a known fact these days. I've lost count of the times I've heard "we all know that cutting down on meat is the best way to help the planet". We really are heading down a bizarre road as a race.

Don't really know, as we (Mrs muck) only really watch one French program, which is a daily current affairs debate. So not likely to mention it unless they are actually talking about farming, climate or similar.
 

PSQ

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Arable Farmer
What is annoying me, is the growing trend to to slip anti red meat or pro vegan propaganda into totally unrelated programs. What's worse is that fact that this rhetoric is often totally wrong or misleading. :mad:

Their website is no better, hijacked by 'urban agenda' woke staff with an axe to grind, and allowed (if not encouraged) by their limp 'Hampstead socialist' management:

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Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
Food production is now being hijacked by biotech companies and multinationals who see massive financial opportunities in producing Vegan foods out of cheap bulk products purchased on the world markets. They are doing this by transforming them into expensive but nutritionally questionable vegan products that are then surprisingly marketed as healthy and saving the planet!

In this way they can cut out the most expensive constituent meat, and sell the alternative vegan product at the same or greater price giving them and their share holders a huge profit increase. Ultimately the absolute power, politically and financially of these multinationals will remove family farms out of food production. :mad:
 

Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
This has the NFU logo on the bottom but it is from official Government figures and the EU is pretty much in line so they are accurate.
As pointed out the 10% is for the whole of Ag. livestock is around half of that with most of it obviously cattle.
I don't really see how ag can account for 10% of GHG. Surely most of what is emitted is firstly captured by the growing plants, so it is simply part of the carbon cycle. We cannot make carbon, but only change its form, and ag's raw ingredient are plants that have captured co2.

Most of the other 90% just release GHG from fossil fuels without firstly capturing any carbon.
 

DaveGrohl

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
I don't really see how ag can account for 10% of GHG. Surely most of what is emitted is firstly captured by the growing plants, so it is simply part of the carbon cycle. We cannot make carbon, but only change its form, and ag's raw ingredient are plants that have captured co2.

Most of the other 90% just release GHG from fossil fuels without firstly capturing any carbon.
You're making a very basic error there and applying your brain and using common sense. In the world of journalism all that matters is outlandish claims backed up by science that apparently seems incapable of being examined by primary school children. As you've pointed out, the fact that agriculture is pretty much the only industry that takes carbon out of the atmosphere to start with never gets a mention is fekking bizarre and ridiculous. Yet another thing the NFU etc never think to mention. Or even include in their carbon zero escapade.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
This has the NFU logo on the bottom but it is from official Government figures and the EU is pretty much in line so they are accurate.
As pointed out the 10% is for the whole of Ag. livestock is around half of that with most of it obviously cattle.
Nothing obviously about it.
Imagine if they built a car were all the exhaust gas went back in to the air intake, be pretty neat wouldn't it everyone would have one of these zero emissions cars, now say they added to that car the ability to suck additional carbon out of the air as well so you get the carbon sequestering car, we could call it the Car-Bon do ya get it.
Well thats your cow when working symbioticly with grassland, amazing isn't it.
The problems can start when you add any sort of farming to this mix but that is not the cows fault she didn't ask to be farmed.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
I don't care how many wings they have, so long as they attempt to report the truth. There is way to much lazy research carried out when producing these programmes. Usually by folk who have little or no understanding of global agricultural systems and certainly their interactions with climate change. :mad:
I was listening to the radio yesterday (radio 4, 10 45 am) and there was a drama on, and the parents say something like "we need to save the planet, stop eating meat". I think this drip drip drip propaganda is insidious and yes an apology is good, but the damage is done. Again this was a play, but the message was put out in a subliminal way. I don't know if I am annoyed, worried or just very upset at the thoughts of what the future will bring. There is so much happening with regen ag, yet at the same time, all the media reports is fake factory produced meat made from fungus.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Food production is now being hijacked by biotech companies and multinationals who see massive financial opportunities in producing Vegan foods out of cheap bulk products purchased on the world markets. They are doing this by transforming them into expensive but nutritionally questionable vegan products that are then surprisingly marketed as healthy and saving the planet!

In this way they can cut out the most expensive constituent meat, and sell the alternative vegan product at the same or greater price giving them and their share holders a huge profit increase. Ultimately the absolute power, politically and financially of these multinationals will remove family farms out of food production. :mad:
I agree, I think these multinational corporations are terrible, they have an agenda, which is basically, make as much money as possible and damn the consequences (you only have to look at tobacco or sugar industry and high fructose corn syrup)
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
I agree, I think these multinational corporations are terrible, they have an agenda, which is basically, make as much money as possible and damn the consequences (you only have to look at tobacco or sugar industry and high fructose corn syrup)

And these multinationals particularly in the US have multimillion dollar lobbying and influencer budgets to keep up the pressure. Plus if past agendas are to go by (tobacco, oil, chemical industry etc) they will be buying scientific evidence to support their false claims.
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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