Tine Drill

[Power Harrow Pilot]

After looking around various black grass trials, the best method of living with the bloody weed is late drilling. Therefore i need a drill that will tackle heavy land in late october!!!!! What are the pros and cons of the various models eg wevering, accord ts, kuhn megant, krm solardrill. Why is there so many hardly used versions about 2nd hand???
thanks

 

[E_B]

Kverneland TS EVO for us, what a fine drill! Excellent trash clearance due to five row of tines, very simple to operate, don't go for the press wheels on the back with heavy land obviously. Hasn't been around many years which is probably why there aren't many second hand. Easy to replace the tine points, they are the only wearing part. We fitted ours with a couple of greedy boards on the hopper. Been reliable so far, haven't really encountered any cons as of yet.

 

[tr250]

We have kv ts 4 metre it's good but if I was in for a new one I would buy a Kuhn

 

[dragonfly]

After looking around various black grass trials, the best method of living with the bloody weed is late drilling. Therefore i need a drill that will tackle heavy land in late october!!!!! What are the pros and cons of the various models eg wevering, accord ts, kuhn megant, krm solardrill. Why is there so many hardly used versions about 2nd hand???
thanks

Me too!

 

[spikeislander]

I agree with all your ideas but I have seen plenty of late drilled wheat full of black grass.
It's a fine line between drilling earlier and getting a good seedbed and good control from the pre ems and waiting getting a flush of black grass but drilling into lesser seedbeds and the pre ems not working as well. Personally on our heavy clay if the seedbed is good we drill even if slightly early as waiting can mean a right mess.

 

[rob1]

After looking around various black grass trials, the best method of living with the bloody weed is late drilling. Therefore i need a drill that will tackle heavy land in late october!!!!! What are the pros and cons of the various models eg wevering, accord ts, kuhn megant, krm solardrill. Why is there so many hardly used versions about 2nd hand???
thanks

Why not wait and drill in the spring? There is a way to do it without losing the moisture, never thought I could grow SB on our ground but for the last two years it is the star crop

 

[Jon]

I bought a Kuhn Megant last year and drilled a little wheat deliberately late to see how it went.
Wheat is a lot cleaner from black grass so pleased with that.
I was concerned with the wheelings left by the tractor, the wheat very shallow here,but the drill did cope well enough with burial.
Land was wet enough to leave huge lumps of mud off markers and wheels on drill filled with mud which eventually fell out, good test, but yet to harvest and find out yield !

 

[horizontal]

Have owned and run both kuhn megant and kv ts Evo 6m.
Main difference is where the depth control wheels are. Kuhn 6m has wheels on inner and outer of each folding frame so two next to each other under the hopper. Whereas kv has one large depth wheel set within each frame and a second towards the outside.
In wet or soft conditions the two wheels at the inner end of each frame (under the hopper) on the kuhn tended to build up with muck and then pull in hard whereas kv wheels and hence the drill as a whole seem to ride the ground better.
However, the seed flow is a bit better in the hopper on the kuhn as the hopper is symmetrical. On the kv it's offset. Also we had to do a mod on our kv to keep muck from the tractor wheel fouling the seed distributor drive. Kuhn also has pin hole depth adjustment whereas kv is screw - on the kuhn you know your level whereas with the kv its a little trickier as the outer depth wheels (designed to just keep the frame floating level) have a different mechanism to the main depth wheels.
Quite easy to take the back window our of the tractor with either, if you forget to close it before lifting!
In summary, would be happy to run either but IMHO the KV just has the edge.

 

[tr250]

Have owned and run both kuhn megant and kv ts Evo 6m.
Main difference is where the depth control wheels are. Kuhn 6m has wheels on inner and outer of each folding frame so two next to each other under the hopper. Whereas kv has one large depth wheel set within each frame and a second towards the outside.
In wet or soft conditions the two wheels at the inner end of each frame (under the hopper) on the kuhn tended to build up with muck and then pull in hard whereas kv wheels and hence the drill as a whole seem to ride the ground better.
However, the seed flow is a bit better in the hopper on the kuhn as the hopper is symmetrical. On the kv it's offset. Also we had to do a mod on our kv to keep muck from the tractor wheel fouling the seed distributor drive. Kuhn also has pin hole depth adjustment whereas kv is screw - on the kuhn you know your level whereas with the kv its a little trickier as the outer depth wheels (designed to just keep the frame floating level) have a different mechanism to the main depth wheels.
Quite easy to take the back window our of the tractor with either, if you forget to close it before lifting!
In summary, would be happy to run either but IMHO the KV just has the edge.

Ha I'm not the only one to do a window then I did one in 2012 my own fault was in too much of a rush

 

[dragonfly]

Would a Claydon V Drill work as a "tine" drill, if the soil loosener points were raised or removed?

 

[warksfarmer]

Would a Claydon V Drill work as a "tine" drill, if the soil loosener points were raised or removed?

Struggled a bit holding it out of the ground as the depth wheels sink.

 

[T Hectares]

I bought a Kuhn Megant in '12 to help out the Vad in the wet.
Not that impressed with it to be honest after years of using Rapids, it's slow with uneven seed placement and not as good in trash as people would have you believe, drilling late is all about the conditions at the time and the following weather, so a bit of a lottery and not allways a success.
For me Vad drilled wheat on a frost in Jan and Feb yielded better than any Nov drilled Kuhn crops although this year may have been a different story !!
It's a useful drill to have in the shed as I've hired it out last autumn, and I have it for some extra capacity if needed and for beans, I would always take the Rapid as first choice.
Tine drills also disturb a lot of soil at drilling
which won't help your bg, the Rapid can lift up the front discs and disturb a lot less soil.
Delayed drilling works to a point and depends on your farm and soil type, I will delay my worst areas and drill later in general, but the risk is in not getting drilled at all and getting residuals on in good conditions and then coaxing a thin uncompetitive crop against the spring germinating bg.
For me it's drill up to late October or spring cropping.

 

[Marshman]

We tried a 6m Kv TS evo to put in 500 acres of wheat at one of our farms in the dry ten days we had in December last year. Was really impressed, it handles the trash and wet soil in places due to the clearance between the rows, on some Trelleborgs my little 7530 managed to cover everywhere even the places where I thought I would get stuck. when it gets really wet and the two wheels on the wing can shove dirt up the cultor, also a hopper extension would be on my list so you can fit a ton bag in........cutting a ton bag half way down then coming back for the other half got old really quick!!

 

[cotswoldcs]

We demoed a KV but went with the Weaving tine drill instead. Happy with our decision and pleased with the Weaving. Surprised it hasn't been mentioned. Their Sabre Tine drill looks even better if you can justify it.

 

[Against_the_grain]

The op is exactly my thinking. I am keen on the dale mtd, weaving sabre and probably my favourite is the aitchinson tsem, although it is quite a bit more money.
This would allow us to go later in the winter or earlier in the spring than current cultivator drill.
Also allow some decent coulter pressure in drier conditions.
Ideally i would like an 8m so we could seriously cover the ground when we had a weather window.

 

[rob1]

The op is exactly my thinking. I am keen on the dale mtd, weaving sabre and probably my favourite is the aitchinson tsem, although it is quite a bit more money.
This would allow us to go later in the winter or earlier in the spring than current cultivator drill.
Also allow some decent coulter pressure in drier conditions.
Ideally i would like an 8m so we could seriously cover the ground when we had a weather window.

To be honest I think the tsem is the best drill on the market for DD'ing, very little soil movement, deals with trash pretty well, can use in a plough based or min till or dd, its the disc on the front that makes a big difference to the soil movement, why more makers dont put one on is a mystery to me

 

[Deere 6430]

TSem doing all the drilling here. Everything from direct to plough. Looked at all the drills and nothing apart from the TSem could do everything.

 

[stan68]

we have a weaving drill. Does a lovely job on our ground especially in bad conditions but could be better built.

 

[Hesstondriver]

we have a weaving drill. Does a lovely job on our ground especially in bad conditions but could be better built.

but you could have three of these for the price of some other bigger brands ! I agree make a cracking job too

 

[Mf6480]

After looking around various black grass trials, the best method of living with the bloody weed is late drilling. Therefore i need a drill that will tackle heavy land in late october!!!!! What are the pros and cons of the various models eg wevering, accord ts, kuhn megant, krm solardrill. Why is there so many hardly used versions about 2nd hand???
thanks

I believe you are like most looking at this method to help control black grass , and therefore if drilling late a tine drill seems ideal.
However do not rule out the CARRE PENTASEM TINED DRILL.
This is a true 5 row tined drill, with sulky metering system with some other very nice features.
www.willowfarm-machinery.co.uk
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