Tiverton and Honiton by-election

[robs1]

Good idea the state should control the media then we'd just hear good news a bit like Russia maybe.It's time to start locking up journalists reporting the fact that costs going up are affecting people's standards of living then. Or maybe we get some leaders with some courage who tell it as it is. Yes this going to hurt, yes if you want to live as you have been living you're going to have to work harder and yes we made a terrible mistake during Covid convincing everyone they could have something for nothing a mistake that's led us where are today. No we can't afford free healthcare and no we can't save the planet today. I'd vote for someone who stood up and told the truth but then again I like a lot of people voted for Boris because we didn't want Corbyn and kid ourselves as we might that was the wrong thing to do.

Can you point out where I said the government should control the media.
Just look at the news feed from uk newspapers and see how they report stuff. For instance when retirement age was increased headlines were all about how people were going to have to work longer which was so unfair, nothing about people living longer and the country couldn't afford the cost.
During covid we had the exam result cock up, msm reported how suicidal kids were due to the problem, what happened government had rethink and all of a sudden results were the best ever which plainly they werent.
Now we have inflation due to covid and ukraine, what does the MSM blame it on ? The government and then MSM demand they fo something to help so they start giving away money again which is partly the cause .

 

[Hindsight]

Can you point out where I said the government should control the media.
Just look at the news feed from uk newspapers and see how they report stuff. For instance when retirement age was increased headlines were all about how people were going to have to work longer which was so unfair, nothing about people living longer and the country couldn't afford the cost.
During covid we had the exam result cock up, msm reported how suicidal kids were due to the problem, what happened government had rethink and all of a sudden results were the best ever which plainly they werent.
Now we have inflation due to covid and ukraine, what does the MSM blame it on ? The government and then MSM demand they fo something to help so they start giving away money again which is partly the cause .

You and Lowland sparring is fun to watch. Headlines may say as you say. But within the more detailed reporting in MSM there will be further analysis and wider reporting of opinions etc. And this in the case of the issues you mention in your post I can clearly recall seeing the broader picture explained, analysed and debated. And there is now such a plethora of news feeds which folk access do you really need to worry about MSM. If folk do not agree with MSM my observation is they go off to find the news feed which suits there preference and / or agenda / narrative. And I witness that daily with the wide ranging news links posted in threads on here - which I find fascinating, interesting and informative. May not agree with the 'news' in those posts but am thankful folk post them, so I can see what and why this news (fake news!?) forms their opinions. Rich tapestry and broad church maybe.

On a wider note. How is your recovery going? You seem to back in your old form!! Best wishes, keep taking the blood pressure tablets! I do wonder which family will be the first to sue TFF and Clive when a family member blows up (literally) due to outrage!

 

[robs1]

You and Lowland sparring is fun to watch. Headlines may say as you say. But within the more detailed reporting in MSM there will be further analysis and wider reporting of opinions etc. And this in the case of the issues you mention in your post I can clearly recall seeing the broader picture explained, analysed and debated. And there is now such a plethora of news feeds which folk access do you really need to worry about MSM. If folk do not agree with MSM my observation is they go off to find the news feed which suits there preference and / or agenda / narrative. And I witness that daily with the wide ranging news links posted in threads on here - which I find fascinating, interesting and informative. May not agree with the 'news' in those posts but am thankful folk post them, so I can see what and why this news (fake news!?) forms their opinions. Rich tapestry and broad church maybe.

On a wider note. How is your recovery going? You seem to back in your old form!! Best wishes, keep taking the blood pressure tablets! I do wonder which family will be the first to sue TFF and Clive when a family member blows up (literally) due to outrage!

Recovery going ok thank you, did a bit of raking last week which was good from a mental point of view, wound has almost healed, got to say I'm enjoying taking it easier these days, cant see me going back to 89 hour weeks.
As for the MSM, yes some do go into more depth, bbc world is one when ive watched it while abroad, the problem is most voters dont bother with looking deeper, too many just see headlines and the knee jerk reactions cause politicians to change plans. I'm not sure which is worse the state of politics and politicians or the standard of reporting.
If anyone has doubts about how far both have fallen just look back a good few decades, I saw a copy of the Times from a hundred years ago, the difference was very sobering.
Look round the world and see the leaders we have to choose from and the bias of the MSM, it's very very poor in general imvho

 

[Hindsight]

Recovery going ok thank you, did a bit of raking last week which was good from a mental point of view, wound has almost healed, got to say I'm enjoying taking it easier these days, cant see me going back to 89 hour weeks.
As for the MSM, yes some do go into more depth, bbc world is one when ive watched it while abroad, the problem is most voters dont bother with looking deeper, too many just see headlines and the knee jerk reactions cause politicians to change plans. I'm not sure which is worse the state of politics and politicians or the standard of reporting.
If anyone has doubts about how far both have fallen just look back a good few decades, I saw a copy of the Times from a hundred years ago, the difference was very sobering.
Look round the world and see the leaders we have to choose from and the bias of the MSM, it's very very poor in general imvho

Good to hear you are getting better. Take care. Don't push things to fast.

 

[gone]

So you want a remainer PM , wtf

Only true believers need apply.
You are either with us or against us.
The disunited kingdom.

 

[Lowland1]

Can you point out where I said the government should control the media.
Just look at the news feed from uk newspapers and see how they report stuff. For instance when retirement age was increased headlines were all about how people were going to have to work longer which was so unfair, nothing about people living longer and the country couldn't afford the cost.
During covid we had the exam result cock up, msm reported how suicidal kids were due to the problem, what happened government had rethink and all of a sudden results were the best ever which plainly they werent.
Now we have inflation due to covid and ukraine, what does the MSM blame it on ? The government and then MSM demand they fo something to help so they start giving away money again which is partly the cause .

You didn’t say it but i think the implication is there. The job of Governments is not to pander to the media but to do the best for all the citizens of the country. You might not like what the newspapers say and it might be overblown but people are finding it hard to live in the way they have done previously and whether you like it or not iphones and foreign holidays are very important to a lot of people. The bravest thing Johnson did was at the start of Covid stand up and tell people that their relatives may die but the country was going to go on as normal which would have been the right thing to do but as soon as the Daily Mail and Daily Express realised they were going to lose some readers they were up in arms and from then Johnson became a follower rather than a leader. All through Covid they knew exactly what public opinion and TFF was thinking and followed it throwing the youth and the economy under the bus. Which leads us nicely to where we are now. Johnson needs to lead and if he can’t do that he best go.

 

[robs1]

You didn’t say it but i think the implication is there. The job of Governments is not to pander to the media but to do the best for all the citizens of the country. You might not like what the newspapers say and it might be overblown but people are finding it hard to live in the way they have done previously and whether you like it or not iphones and foreign holidays are very important to a lot of people. The bravest thing Johnson did was at the start of Covid stand up and tell people that their relatives may die but the country was going to go on as normal which would have been the right thing to do but as soon as the Daily Mail and Daily Express realised they were going to lose some readers they were up in arms and from then Johnson became a follower rather than a leader. All through Covid they knew exactly what public opinion and TFF was thinking and followed it throwing the youth and the economy under the bus. Which leads us nicely to where we are now. Johnson needs to lead and if he can’t do that he best go.

Your comment about covid proves my point completely, it wasnt just the papers you mentioned but ALL the MSM, even after he had backtracked they kept saying he had been to slow compared to other countries as did people on here, several times I have posted the FACTS about the average numbers of days from first case to lockdown in different countries, virtually all are within a few days and most did it for the same reason MSM pressure. I agree he and other world leaders need to be stronger and ignore the press but look what happens when they do, they just keep producing story after story to destroy them, to be fair they do it with sports and media stars too. Let me be very plain I have absolutely no time for government control of press BUT the press have to be honest and report news not opinions. Imvho they currently dont. You only have to see circulation numbers for papers and viewing figures of news programmes to realise a lot of people think the same.
Too many just see headlines and form opinions from them and dont read the whole story, we see that on tff from one Irish and one ex pat, they post links and shout the headline but at the bottom of the article the truth might be told, most dont get that far.

 

[Lowland1]

Your comment about covid proves my point completely, it wasnt just the papers you mentioned but ALL the MSM, even after he had backtracked they kept saying he had been to slow compared to other countries as did people on here, several times I have posted the FACTS about the average numbers of days from first case to lockdown in different countries, virtually all are within a few days and most did it for the same reason MSM pressure. I agree he and other world leaders need to be stronger and ignore the press but look what happens when they do, they just keep producing story after story to destroy them, to be fair they do it with sports and media stars too. Let me be very plain I have absolutely no time for government control of press BUT the press have to be honest and report news not opinions. Imvho they currently dont. You only have to see circulation numbers for papers and viewing figures of news programmes to realise a lot of people think the same.
Too many just see headlines and form opinions from them and dont read the whole story, we see that on tff from one Irish and one ex pat, they post links and shout the headline but at the bottom of the article the truth might be told, most dont get that far.

Read what I wrote. The job of the Prime Minister is to lead not follow the only reason to follow the media is because you need to be popular, because you want to be re-elected. Who is running the country the editor of the Sun or Boris Johnson. It's quite easy for the Prime Minister to go on TV and to the press to explain what he's doing and why if he so wishes. It's basically about courage something he doesn't have. The thing about populist leaders is they have to be popular and often that means refusing to do the unpopular things that need to be done.

 

[capfits]

Your comment about covid proves my point completely, it wasnt just the papers you mentioned but ALL the MSM, even after he had backtracked they kept saying he had been to slow compared to other countries as did people on here, several times I have posted the FACTS about the average numbers of days from first case to lockdown in different countries, virtually all are within a few days and most did it for the same reason MSM pressure. I agree he and other world leaders need to be stronger and ignore the press but look what happens when they do, they just keep producing story after story to destroy them, to be fair they do it with sports and media stars too. Let me be very plain I have absolutely no time for government control of press BUT the press have to be honest and report news not opinions. Imvho they currently dont. You only have to see circulation numbers for papers and viewing figures of news programmes to realise a lot of people think the same.
Too many just see headlines and form opinions from them and dont read the whole story, we see that on tff from one Irish and one ex pat, they post links and shout the headline but at the bottom of the article the truth might be told, most dont get that far.

Let you into a secret @robs1, the present shower are so incompetent that they employ teams of Spads to stretch the sinews of belief in what commissioned reports and statistics are telling the public.
It is the ultimate cherry picking and presentation exercise.
You could really look closer at why that is.

 

[le bon paysan]

As regards this latest in a series of electoral triumphs, that of course endorses the Prime Minister’s sublime competence to continue his governance of this country: has anybody perhaps heard what is the latest opinion of everybody’s favourite Arch Toady Pursuivant of Deference, Lord Jacob Rees Mogg?

Changing the Dartford tunnel to signage to yards is a priority brexit benefit...

EU gave us 'very funny numbers': Rees-Mogg on new post-Brexit laws

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the minister for Brexit opportunities, has revealed some of the EU laws he wants to scrap, highlighting changing the signage of the Dartford Tunnel as one of the items that 'jumped out' at him.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[Hindsight]

Changing the Dartford tunnel to signage to yards is a priority brexit benefit...

EU gave us 'very funny numbers': Rees-Mogg on new post-Brexit laws

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the minister for Brexit opportunities, has revealed some of the EU laws he wants to scrap, highlighting changing the signage of the Dartford Tunnel as one of the items that 'jumped out' at him.

www.lbc.co.uk

Is Mogg serious? April 1st

 

[le bon paysan]

Is Mogg serious? April 1st

It's June!
You tell me?

 

[fudge]

Come on chaps “defending Brexit” is the sole function of the Johnson government. That’s all they have to do!!

 

[wanton dwarf]

And there is now such a plethora of news feeds which folk access do you really need to worry about MSM. If folk do not agree with MSM my observation is they go off to find the news feed which suits there preference and / or agenda / narrative

No. People obviously can relate to what is dictated in the media from various sources to the reality they live in.

A good example is the reporting of inflation, which according to HMG is around 10%.

House prices were taken out of the inflation figures over a decade ago - yet the media just report government figures which do not relate to reality. There is no "hold a minute" moment, this is isn't right, no it isn't the truth.

For us as farmers I would guess inflation is in the 100s of % - with the "Promise" of jam tomorrow when our crops might be sold - oh lucky us if the markets fall, Which they will do based on sentiment of some idiots sitting at a desk with no consequences.

The lies just keep getting bigger.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Come on chaps “defending Brexit” is the sole function of the Johnson government. That’s all they have to do!!

If you think Boris is championing Brexit then you really are out of touch with reality. Boris just chose Brexit as a means to get into power. Then he's done what they all do, which is whatever Boris wants and stuff Brexit.

They've done nothing - A Border Farce which is literally a Taxi service with 4 star accomodation.

 

[caveman]

Let you into a secret @robs1, the present shower are so incompetent that they employ teams of Spads to stretch the sinews of belief in what commissioned reports and statistics are telling the public.
It is the ultimate cherry picking and presentation exercise.
You could really look closer at why that is.

Anybody else smell catshit?

 

[fudge]

If you think Boris is championing Brexit then you really are out of touch with reality. Boris just chose Brexit as a means to get into power. Then he's done what they all do, which is whatever Boris wants and stuff Brexit.

They've done nothing - A Border Farce which is literally a Taxi service with 4 star accomodation.

I’m not out of touch with reality. I will leave that to supporters of Boris Johnson.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I’m not out of touch with reality. I will leave that to supporters of Boris Johnson.

I wouldn't say anyone who supports anyone is out of touch with reality - they are doing so for their own political reasons. Justifying those reasons is another thing .. such as attempting to associate the reasons behind Brexit with the results from the Blonde Clown.

 

[bobk]

I wouldn't say anyone who supports anyone is out of touch with reality - they are doing so for their own political reasons. Justifying those reasons is another thing .. such as attempting to associate the reasons behind Brexit with the results from the Blonde Clown.

You say that , but without the blonde clown we'd still be having brexit extensions , the lack of ability in Westminster is quite staggering

 

[wanton dwarf]

You say that , but without the blonde clown we'd still be having brexit extensions , the lack of ability in Westminster is quite staggering

The voting public stopped Brexit extensions - the Blonde Clown was an MP & PM during the very same Brexit extensions.