To mask up or not?

[Kiwi Pete]

I do feel sorry for the citizens of NZ. You'll have to let the virus in one day so all you've gained is a two year delay to your lives.

Hell of a legacy to leave for the grandkids, being born into $100k+ of government debt each

modelling suggested we'd have 80,000 deaths on us if we didn't comply with the order from above, now luckily people are getting vaccinated to help us get it out there in the community and whatever happens will be a triumph of getting a few shots and being obedient, to most people.

Ahhh well

 

[kiwi pom]

I do feel sorry for the citizens of NZ. You'll have to let the virus in one day so all you've gained is a two year delay to your lives.

The whole idea of shutting the border was to give us time to prepare, get jabbed, hopefully have some effective treatments and increase hospital capacity to cope when it does come.
We did our bit, a surprisingly large number of people have been jabbed and treatments are coming available outside of NZ.
Unfortunately the governments done feck all, with just a few cases and less than 100 people in hospital with Covid in the whole country, the health service is now saying they're not ready, despite 18 months to prepare.
We're still in good shape compared to most countries though, even with the governments hopelessness.
We're getting close to 90% of 12 and up double jabbed despite the late start.

 

[Pistonbroke]

I have every respect for you except with regards to Covid where you repeatedly act like an idiot.


The vaccine is doing what was expected and stopping people from becoming seriously ill and needing hospitalisation. This is happening to the extent that many vaccinated people won't be aware or simply wouldn't bother testing to see if they are positive.
This 'high' level of low infection is the best way to herd immunity. I'm guessing that boosters are not going to be required in many cases as people get used to be exposed to covid.

There have been a boatload of positive cases round here in the last six weeks,second highest number per 100,000 people in the country at one time and the worst symptoms in the vaxxed people are a slight cold. My 17 yr old tested positive,then my 14 yr old two days later,no symptoms at all in either. We live in a pokey stone cottage with no way to isolate so wife and I resigned ourselves to the fact we were going to get it and we missed it altogether. Village pub darts team played an away game and it went through the whole lot but other than having a test ,they would never have known.The vaccines stop a lot from getting it at all and make it manageable for the rest.

 

[Dead Rabbits]

Money/Power

it's about impoverishment, just wearing a new hat

-you're poorer for not seeing people smile when you make contact

-conversations are poorer for not being in person

-your savings accounts are poorer with every pound/euro/$ printed "to help us through"

if you had control of the world's population, would you be hoping for a quick resolution, or milking every minute of it, for your gain

notice the rapid breakdowns in communication lately, people are actively seeking to begin divisive conversations where they once just asked for help or discussed things rationally

the only real difference between something alive and something dead is that the living thing's bits are all connected with the other bits, when that ceases then you have "death", as you see when you delve into the world of regenerative agriculture and then pull it apart

In NZ we have figuratively placed the next 4 generations in debt, and we've lost 33 people who tested positive for covid, post-mortem

Shut yer face and do what jacinda tells her inmates, I mean subjects..... or is it children ?

You don’t need regen ag to come to that conclusion, hallucinogenics will get you there too.

 

[kiwi pom]

Shut yer face and do what jacinda tells her inmates, I mean subjects..... or is it children ?

You don’t need regen ag to come to that conclusion, hallucinogenics will get you there too.

All school staff must have had one jab by last Monday night.
My 7 year old says her teacher hasn't been in since Tuesday, there's a teacher aid missing and boy child says the caretaker hasn't been there to get the footballs off the roof
There's currently only a couple of cases in the south island but Cindy's letting the Aucklanders out so it will be down here in no time.
Unvaccinated people aren't the problem, planes and ships are the way it spreads throughout the world.
Fun times.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Shut yer face and do what jacinda tells her inmates, I mean subjects..... or is it children ?

You don’t need regen ag to come to that conclusion, hallucinogenics will get you there too.

Simple, rational, coherent thinking... it's all it takes.

If you've ever looked closely at cancer (which I did, when Dad got it) then basically we are being put in the position where society is in the rapid division stage, wondering what happened to the rest of the organism, but just going for it.

Hence, I'm just as welcoming to the type of conversation that attempt to convince me of something, the way I would react if someone said "hey, I can give you cancer if you just listen a minute"

except these well meaning souls don't see they're infected with that, just as cancer doesn't know it's cancer, all it knows is it needs to replicate itself in order to win

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I do feel sorry for the citizens of NZ. You'll have to let the virus in one day so all you've gained is a two year delay to your lives.

I feel sorry for them too.

..personally, I don't feel like I've lost anything compared to what I've gained in the past 2 years - appreciation, gratitude, and an overwhelmingly clear sense of what I want to be in life.

People are really hurting now

The biggest effect for me is that I never seem to have a gimp mask on me, so I've missed out on alot of pies and pastries at morning smoko - stop at the shop, say "aww f**kin mask!!" and go home eat a bit of fruit

 

[DaveGrohl]

Oh FFS, yet another thread about this sh1t, can we have a covid/masks/vaccination section please?
@Bald Rick
@Chris F

 

[tepapa]

The whole idea of shutting the border was to give us time to prepare, get jabbed, hopefully have some effective treatments and increase hospital capacity to cope when it does come.
We did our bit, a surprisingly large number of people have been jabbed and treatments are coming available outside of NZ.
Unfortunately the governments done feck all, with just a few cases and less than 100 people in hospital with Covid in the whole country, the health service is now saying they're not ready, despite 18 months to prepare.
We're still in good shape compared to most countries though, even with the governments hopelessness.
We're getting close to 90% of 12 and up double jabbed despite the late start.

You'll have worse to come, they'll have to open the flood gate, aka international travel ,and when the virus gets into circulation properly the government will be controlling you again to reduce the spread to minimise the effects on your health service. You have a long way to go to get out of situation your in. Most of the UK is vaccinated but we're still being controlled.

 

[Kidds]

I think we are just about at this stage.

 

[MRT]

I think it should be compulsory, its proven too help allot and its so easy, why would we not if it helps the situation.

That surprises me, we have them still in Wales and our data is worse than England. Has it proven in data from field conditions or is it theory only?

 

[roscoe erf]

Oh FFS, yet another thread about this sh1t, can we have a covid/masks/vaccination section please?
@Bald Rick
@Chris F

It’s gone to sh!t with these new mods

 

[balerman]

Only places in the SW that have high rates of covid are the schools and Hospitals.

Very few in the wider population have covid and even the ones that do most of them have either caught it from their school kids or when attending the local hospital.

Hardly a shop or business around here is asking people to wear a mask ( and wearing a mask is pointless anyway and as is being shown in Wales and Scotland for example where despite making people wear masks all summer they still have very high covid rates )

Of course if you feel safer wearing a mask then wear one but do not demand everyone else does so as well.

I respect your opinion on a lot of things,but this is utter crap.COVID is everywhere round here at the moment,people have gone back almost to normal with little mask wearing and large gatherings indoors. Masks certainly do help,I must admit I had got a bit slack about it myself.Picked up the virus from somewhere last week,feeling rough and very glad of having the 2 jabs.

 

[7610 super q]

I'm happy to wear a mask for dusty jobs like rolling barley. I don't see why there's a stigma wearing them for covid.

 

[MRT]

Instead of seperation based on medical status (vax vs un vax) maybe as we can still catch and spread it we should all be campainging to stratisfy society based on risk. So only over 60s are allowed out in public until 10am to shop for essentials and then over 50s until 11am and so on. Under 25s can run free from school closing time. Its more rational as a way forward than medical status. Test trace and protect will know if anyone has been breaking the code and meeting with people from a different bracket. Suggest £100 fine direct to NHS wages each time the code is broken. Its a stupid idea but much less of a jump than where we started to where we are now.

 

[bobk]

I respect your opinion on a lot of things,but this is utter crap.COVID is everywhere round here at the moment,people have gone back almost to normal with little mask wearing and large gatherings indoors. Masks certainly do help,I must admit I had got a bit slack about it myself.Picked up the virus from somewhere last week,feeling rough and very glad of having the 2 jabs.

@gone up the hill should carry a public health warning , non mask wearer , unvaccinated and a motor mouth , ha ha .

 

[roscoe erf]

Yes if your…"…………..

 

[Highland Farmer]

Complete waste of time, it's like trying to stop a gnat with a chain link fence.

 

[gone up the hill]

@gone up the hill should carry a public health warning , non mask wearer , unvaccinated and a motor mouth , ha ha .

You had your flu jab yet? lol

 

[gone up the hill]

I respect your opinion on a lot of things,but this is utter crap.COVID is everywhere round here at the moment,people have gone back almost to normal with little mask wearing and large gatherings indoors. Masks certainly do help,I must admit I had got a bit slack about it myself.Picked up the virus from somewhere last week,feeling rough and very glad of having the 2 jabs.

Sorry to hear your ill with covid and hope you get better soon.

I am not anti vaccine for covid, far from it in fact.

The point i was trying to make above ref the vaccine is that it seems the vaccine is not working anywhere near as well as they thought/ hoped it would do so and if they start having lockdowns in country's where 80%+ of people ( or as in one small country they have 100% vaccine rates and many have had the 3rd jab and its still going thru them like wildfire and they are going to have another lockdown ) then where does it all end?? there may never be a better vaccine than the current one and if we do it could be years away, we just have to live with it and get on with life.

And people who want to wear masks/ have every covid jab going should do so but it should be a personal choice at the end of the day.

No surprise that Covid rates are rising at this time of the year, what is really surprising and unacceptable is that health care organizations in most country's have not planned for these spikes even thou we are nearly two years into dealing with covid 19!