To mask up or not?

[Muck Spreader]

Actually a lot of people called climate change deniers aren't denying the climate is changing at all - any fool knows it is and always is changing. There is however a lot of disagreement about the idea that Western societies reducing their carbon footprint will either achieve the stated aims of reducing emissions, reducing economic position/ quality of life or stablising temperature as hoped, and quite right - there should not be a settled debate. There should never be a monotheistic view - look how societies with monotheistic views functioned - bloody terrible and lots of deaths.

I agree a better statistic than 0.05% is to look through the age and medical conditions of the type of risk depending on those factors. And so to ask a child to be afraid of something that is way less than 0.05% risk of death is not reasonable. Should the obese be denied medical care for covid? Personally I'm not sure ethnicity is a big driver - in fact its possibly racist!

I don't agree covid is leaving hundreds of thousands with life changing disabilties.

Lots of findings now becoming apparent on large numbers of people suffering long Covid:-

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

A Tsunami of Disability Is Coming as a Result of 'Long COVID'

We need to plan for a future where millions of survivors are chronically ill

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[essex man]

So we pretend like Neil Ferguson that everyone is equally likely to die of covid? And pretend that's a plan?

The new variant appears to have no clothes either.

Indeed, we know that it's no more harmful, we know there's no point in restricting borders yet we do it anyway.... it's pretty clear why, you've only got to look at demands for it on here to know how popular it is.

 

[essex man]

It's so exciting though tracking this new evil omicron(moronic) variant, first it's in Africa, then Belgium, then Essex, soon it will be under your bed! Look out!

 

[essex man]

Get that uniform back on and get out there and fight! Forget the virus, the enemy has got nothing on his face and nothing in his arm.

 

[Charlie Gill]

 

[Raider112]

It's so exciting though tracking this new evil omicron(moronic) variant, first it's in Africa, then Belgium, then Essex, soon it will be under your bed! Look out!

Do you never think that for all the time you spend on here that you should actually contribute to the discussion? Surely you must have more to offer than this childish nonsense and your usual wind ups. Silliam Whale has a different opinion to many on here but his opinion is respected, you could have the same respect if you tried.

 

[Mek]

Do you never think that for all the time you spend on here that you should actually contribute to the discussion? Surely you must have more to offer than this childish nonsense and your usual wind ups. Silliam Whale has a different opinion to many on here but his opinion is respected, you could have the same respect if you tried.

No he couldn’t,he blew that a while ago.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Do you never think that for all the time you spend on here that you should actually contribute to the discussion? Surely you must have more to offer than this childish nonsense and your usual wind ups. Silliam Whale has a different opinion to many on here but his opinion is respected, you could have the same respect if you tried.

I'm merely pointing out that after 2 years and massive spread 99.98% of people have not died of covid.

That the past 6 months of non mask use in England has made no real difference to covid data compared to its neighbours (wales/ scotland).

And that we've spunked an awful lot of our childrens money (not to mentioning ruining their education and spoiling our students university education) on something that was badly modelled and never corrected. We have also ignored the other health timebombs.

I'm also pointing out that what we were told was "the science" (as if it is an immutable thing) regarding vaccines is potentially not looking so solid. That doesn't make me anti-vaccine although it does make me question whom I'm listening too if there is no counter argument allowed.

This will be the 3rd year kids won't have exams. Its not a good thing.

But the sheep on this thread should keep bleating, keep advocating masking for the next 25 years (I know you don't by the way - you just do it on your own terms to virtue signal or comply) and keep pretending covid is going to kill 95% of the population

 

[essex man]

Do you never think that for all the time you spend on here that you should actually contribute to the discussion? Surely you must have more to offer than this childish nonsense and your usual wind ups. Silliam Whale has a different opinion to many on here but his opinion is respected, you could have the same respect if you tried.

It must be hard to hear, I understand that.
You have to understand how it looks though

 

[essex man]

Do you never think that for all the time you spend on here that you should actually contribute to the discussion? Surely you must have more to offer than this childish nonsense and your usual wind ups. Silliam Whale has a different opinion to many on here but his opinion is respected, you could have the same respect if you tried.

I think pointing out the mindless devotion to this idiocy is contributing

 

[Trutti]

I'm merely pointing out that after 2 years and massive spread 99.98% of people have not died of covid.

That the past 6 months of non mask use in England has made no real difference to covid data compared to its neighbours (wales/ scotland).

And that we've spunked an awful lot of our childrens money (not to mentioning ruining their education and spoiling our students university education) on something that was badly modelled and never corrected. We have also ignored the other health timebombs.

I'm also pointing out that what we were told was "the science" (as if it is an immutable thing) regarding vaccines is potentially not looking so solid. That doesn't make me anti-vaccine although it does make me question whom I'm listening too if there is no counter argument allowed.

This will be the 3rd year kids won't have exams. Its not a good thing.

But the sheep on this thread should keep bleating, keep advocating masking for the next 25 years (I know you don't by the way - you just do it on your own terms to virtue signal or comply) and keep pretending covid is going to kill 95% of the population

Ok…what would you do and why don’t you think it’s been done?

 

[boumaticboy]

I would ask-why are we treating care home workers NHS staff so badly ie threatening them with the sack over mandates when you can still catch and transmit it even when jabbed.why are nurses paid less than a night shift in tesco? the millions wasted on passport apps, furlough track and trace etc could have funded a lot of carers. in NI ten years ago there was 1 hospital bed for 245 population now its 330 per one bed.

 

[farmerm]

I'm merely pointing out that after 2 years and massive spread 99.98% of people have not died of covid.

That the past 6 months of non mask use in England has made no real difference to covid data compared to its neighbours (wales/ scotland).

And that we've spunked an awful lot of our childrens money (not to mentioning ruining their education and spoiling our students university education) on something that was badly modelled and never corrected. We have also ignored the other health timebombs.

I'm also pointing out that what we were told was "the science" (as if it is an immutable thing) regarding vaccines is potentially not looking so solid. That doesn't make me anti-vaccine although it does make me question whom I'm listening too if there is no counter argument allowed.

This will be the 3rd year kids won't have exams. Its not a good thing.

But the sheep on this thread should keep bleating, keep advocating masking for the next 25 years (I know you don't by the way - you just do it on your own terms to virtue signal or comply) and keep pretending covid is going to kill 95% of the population

The primary goal of any politician is to get re-elected. Taking measures that may have moved the none dying of covid figure from 99.97% to 99.98% may seen insignificant but when the population is in the millions that 0.01% difference, expressed in terms of the total number of dead, generates very different headlines. This "sheep" nonesense is getting very dull now. Sheep is just another way of saying a group of people who are compliant with the accepted norms of society. This characteristic is perhaps the greatest part of human evolution. If we were all free anarchists there could be no social cohesion, no civilization and we would all be fighting, looting and raping driven purely by animal instincts of thirst, hunger, fear and sex. The use of "Sheep" is a derogatory term is really very childish.

Lets go back to the start, what should you have suggested governments around the world should have done in the face of this pandemic appearing? Just pretend it didn't exist or try to spin it in such a way as to convince their citizens its ok it will only kills 0.02% of the population, those couple of hundred thousand peoples lives are an acceptable sacrifice for the sake of "freedom"
I think the value of mask wearing is probably limited but even any reduction in transmission, however small has to be worth it for the very minor inconvenience of wearing them in environment such as shops and transport.

 

[Trutti]

The primary goal of any politician is to get re-elected. Taking measures that may have moved the none dying of covid figure from 99.97% to 99.98% may seen insignificant but when the population is in the millions that 0.01% difference, expressed in terms of the total number of dead, generates very different headlines. This "sheep" nonesense is getting very dull now. Sheep is just another way of saying a group of people who are compliant with the accepted norms of society. This characteristic is perhaps the greatest part of human evolution. If we were all free anarchists there could be no social cohesion, no civilization and we would all be fighting, looting and raping driven purely by animal instincts of thirst, hunger, fear and sex. The use of "Sheep" is a derogatory term is really very childish.

Lets go back to the start, what should you have suggested governments around the world should have done in the face of this pandemic appearing? Just pretend it didn't exist or try to spin it in such a way as to convince their citizens its ok it will only kills 0.02% of the population, those couple of hundred thousand peoples lives are an acceptable sacrifice for the sake of "freedom"
I think the value of mask wearing is probably limited but even any reduction in transmission, however small has to be worth it for the very minor inconvenience of wearing them in environment such as shops and transport.

This. We are almost two years down the track, we have the benefit of hindsight and some pretty open reporting. The PHE and ONS figures are there for everyone , they aren’t slanted in my view but it takes a bit of work to understand them. The excess deaths due to covid are exactly as they are stated, the commentary that goes along with them explains it in good detail. Maybe there is a pandemic….maybe we have been successful in dealing with it so far, hence the figures are not as extreme as some would have us believe…that is a good thing as I don’t think the U.K. would have dealt with the level of deaths in a short period of time that other parts of the World dealt with, you can’t just say it wouldn’t matter…it would! Masks.…well if someone came up to me and coughed directly and intentionally in my face, or the face of my wife or kids there would likely be serious repercussions……it’s little mitigating things…wash your hands, keep a bit apart, get outside, take the vaccination if you want too..it’s not through fear…it’s doing the right thing in my view, others won’t and that’s fair enough, I’d think more of their beliefs if they noted the deaths and illness in other parts of the world and even more so if they went and worked in a covid ward for a week….they might even not have to wear a mask….wonder if they would?

 

[Trutti]

I would ask-why are we treating care home workers NHS staff so badly ie threatening them with the sack over mandates when you can still catch and transmit it even when jabbed.why are nurses paid less than a night shift in tesco? the millions wasted on passport apps, furlough track and trace etc could have funded a lot of carers. in NI ten years ago there was 1 hospital bed for 245 population now its 330 per one bed.

I agree, it’s pretty awful, the workers in this industry are seriously undervalued. I think the governments…all of them …got it seriously wrong when they returned covid positive patients back into care homes…it’s a knee jerk reaction to that. To late and not very helpful but they will say they have learned and made improvements….bulls**t if you ask me…

 

[Cheesehead]

I would ask-why are we treating care home workers NHS staff so badly ie threatening them with the sack over mandates when you can still catch and transmit it even when jabbed.why are nurses paid less than a night shift in tesco? the millions wasted on passport apps, furlough track and trace etc could have funded a lot of carers. in NI ten years ago there was 1 hospital bed for 245 population now its 330 per one bed.

Other than when it comes to pay there is a fair bit of division and frustration as for a lot of departments they have to be fully vaccinated for a multitude of illnesses and have to be able to prove it so you have them asking what the big deal is and feel it should be a matter of course for all in the health service. The issue is they also have to also be careful of setting legal presidents in case those that wish the work in surgery and I believe A&E challenge it and say they shouldn't have to have Hepatitis C vaccination to work there where other departments have been ignored.

Honestly it is something that I am unsure about but then there are a lot of cases of jobs that if you want you have to conform to certain requirements why should it be different for them when it comes to health in the health service.

 

[Cowabunga]

I would ask-why are we treating care home workers NHS staff so badly ie threatening them with the sack over mandates when you can still catch and transmit it even when jabbed.why are nurses paid less than a night shift in tesco? the millions wasted on passport apps, furlough track and trace etc could have funded a lot of carers. in NI ten years ago there was 1 hospital bed for 245 population now its 330 per one bed.

Because their employer has a 'duty of care’ to their employees where they know the vaccine prevents severe illness and death to a very high degree compared to unvaccinated and these employees are expected to work in a high-infection-risk-environment.
Nurses are certainly NOT paid less than a night shift at Tesco. They are actually quite well paid. It’s the ancillaries and porters that are on relatively low wages.

 

[Cheesehead]

I agree, it’s pretty awful, the workers in this industry are seriously undervalued. I think the governments…all of them …got it seriously wrong when they returned covid positive patients back into care homes…it’s a knee jerk reaction to that. To late and not very helpful but they will say they have learned and made improvements….bulls**t if you ask me…

The issue comes when people get prissy about tax rises to pay for wage increases though I agree they are on the whole worth a hell of a lot more than they are paid.

Having listened to some of my cousins who work in a number of the local hospital including the covid wards I think it was a case of a rock and a hard place they had patients in need of oxygen and emergency care but no free beds for them though they had other empty wards they didn't have the staff to care for them as those not with other patients were moved to work on the covid wards.

Dad had cancer treatment last year those in the department had there load increased due to shortage of staff either through testing positive or being moved to assist other departments. Often due to delays due to equipment going down as it was working close to 24/7 it was one in one out. There were no staff while I waited in his car just sitting having a break that there had been the years prior they all seemed to be power walking from place to place on the couple of times that I was there when there was a shift change you could see those going in looking as though they were carrying hundredweight sacks of grain on their backs followed some time later by those walking out looking like zombies.

I feel like crud after four weeks of lambing they've nearly had 24 months of it when they already often worked 14 hour days.

 

[Cheesehead]

Because their employer has a 'duty of care’ to their employees where they know the vaccine prevents severe illness and death to a very high degree compared to unvaccinated and these employees are expected to work in a high-infection-risk-environment.
Nurses are certainly NOT paid less than a night shift at Tesco. They are actually quite well paid. It’s the ancillaries and porters that are on relatively low wages.

Looking at job ads and post by existing staff Tesco pay is about £9.30 to £9.75 an hour though night shifts can earn about £2.35 extra.

 

[MRT]

The issue comes when people get prissy about tax rises to pay for wage increases though I agree they are on the whole worth a hell of a lot more than they are paid.

Having listened to some of my cousins who work in a number of the local hospital including the covid wards I think it was a case of a rock and a hard place they had patients in need of oxygen and emergency care but no free beds for them though they had other empty wards they didn't have the staff to care for them as those not with other patients were moved to work on the covid wards.

Dad had cancer treatment last year those in the department had there load increased due to shortage of staff either through testing positive or being moved to assist other departments. Often due to delays due to equipment going down as it was working close to 24/7 it was one in one out. There were no staff while I waited in his car just sitting having a break that there had been the years prior they all seemed to be power walking from place to place on the couple of times that I was there when there was a shift change you could see those going in looking as though they were carrying hundredweight sacks of grain on their backs followed some time later by those walking out looking like zombies.

I feel like crud after four weeks of lambing they've nearly had 24 months of it when they already often worked 14 hour days.

I wonder how many staff are off on the sick at any given time in the NHS and how much higher this went during COVID?