To mask up or not?

[Cowabunga]

Apparently Wales and Scotland would have had much higher rates of death if we took the masks off....53% higher.

Seems unlikely doesn't it?

If anything shows your lack of cognitive ability, this surely does. A 53% lowering of transmission to unprotected people does not equate to 53% less deaths, or the other way about. Not unless every single person who got Covid died from it.

Seriously, you need to engage your brain and think before you post so much blatant rubbish on the subject,

 

[essex man]

Ffs. You said you'd never had or never will have a covid test. You then said you'd had an antibody test. I wondered why you would do that?

I did qualify by saying pcr, LF because these numbers are counted and that is what causes harm.

 

[Cheesehead]

Because to wear a Cape you need proof?

I thought you just needed to wear your y-fronts on the outside of your leotard?

Yes but what is the point of trying to get everyone to have the current vaccine shot ( 3rd shot ) when they have said it will not work against this new strain??

Better off to give a third shot to the very high at risk group and hold fire on everyone else untill/ if a rejigged vaccine is needed for this new strain.

Because if you have the 3rd shot now and then this new strain turns out to be a problem ( which is very unlikely ) then you will be forced into having a 4th shot so nigh on taking a vaccine every 3 months... that is just plain nuts!

This came up earlier after watching Olly B I found interesting.

 

[essex man]

If anything shows your lack of cognitive ability, this surely does. A 53% lowering of transmission to unprotected people does not equate to 53% less deaths, or the other way about. Not unless every single person who got Covid died from it.

Seriously, you need to engage your brain and think before you post so much blatant rubbish on the subject,

It's not 53%less transmission so kind of a moot point

 

[essex man]

Anyway those who happy to wear masks but only when they in the majority will be putting them back on tomorrow.
Those that do it because they obey the law will do as they are told.
Those who do it to be part of the herd and not get hated on will also put back on.
Those that believe it controls the virus have presumably never taken them off.
Ditto those who do it to "respect others"
Doesn't leave many unmasked...back to 1-3%?

 

[primmiemoo]

If they have made a difference then why does Wales/ Scotland have/ have had far higher covid rates than Britain the last few months?

And intrestingly when masks were bought in for Britain covid rates suddenly jumped upwards shortly afterwards.

Of course if wearing a mask makes you feel safer then you should wear one ( and the same with gloves etc )

Wearing a mask doesn't make me feel safer. Wearing a mask helps to show we're taking steps to keep others safer in environments which aren't well ventilated, or where we can't socially distance particularly well.

Good ventilation matters when protecting against the spread of this coronavirus ~ which hadn't been well enough understood prior to bringing in rules and guidance about mask wearing.

 

[SilliamWhale]

If anything shows your lack of cognitive ability, this surely does. A 53% lowering of transmission to unprotected people does not equate to 53% less deaths, or the other way about. Not unless every single person who got Covid died from it.

Seriously, you need to engage your brain and think before you post so much blatant rubbish on the subject,

That was a quip based on another comment. It was sarcastic as was the previous sentence

The point is there is no evidence of anything different between Wales and England and masking

 

[SilliamWhale]

I'll be honest, I didn't. I would assume none of them did?

They put them on for show and then took them off. Same with the jamboree in Cornwall.

 

[Charlie Gill]

If they have made a difference then why does Wales/ Scotland have/ have had far higher covid rates than Britain the last few months?

And intrestingly when masks were bought in for Britain covid rates suddenly jumped upwards shortly afterwards.

Of course if wearing a mask makes you feel safer then you should wear one ( and the same with gloves etc )

If masks reduced transmission by 10% would you notice?

 

[Hindsight]

World AIDS day on December 1st. 40 years since the discovery of AIDS.

 

[Trutti]

To be fair some paragraphs would have helped, and a bit of grammar

The hazards of cooking dinner and entertaining friends from Russia and France whilst trying to reply. You still evade simple questions, what’s your excuse?

 

[The Seeker]

How many jabs a year would people be happy with to combat covid, and its mutations ? I’ve had 3 already so 4 5 6 jabs a year per mutation ? I’m Sad I have to start masking up again but I’m also not allowed to say that as I’ll be told I’m terrible member of the community and a danger to life, I’ve just spent 5 nights without heat or electric or water like many of my neighbours tho I can assure you while battling the elements we all took precautions to wash our hands and keep a safe distance from each other.

 

[MRT]

Doctor on the BBC yesterday saying washing hands is a waste of time for COVID. Interesting vs hands, face, space.

 

[Gong Farmer]

Doctor on the BBC yesterday saying washing hands is a waste of time for COVID. Interesting vs hands, face, space.

Thank heaven for that! I think by now I've just about wished Happy Birthday to everyone on the planet.

 

[MRT]

Thank heaven for that! I think by now I've just about wished Happy Birthday to everyone on the planet.

Think you missed mine, start washin'

 

[primmiemoo]

Doctor on the BBC yesterday saying washing hands is a waste of time for COVID. Interesting vs hands, face, space.

Was he the one who said that hand sanitiser isn't as effective against norivirus as it is against covid?

If anything, when norivirus is around, we need to continue washing our hands at regular intervals, don't we? Soap and water.
Certainly need to keep hands away from our faces to stop transfer of norivirus vector to our mouths

 

[MRT]

Was he the one who said that hand sanitiser isn't as effective against norivirus as it is against covid?

If anything, when norivirus is around, we need to continue washing our hands at regular intervals, don't we? Soap and water.
Certainly need to keep hands away from our faces to stop transfer of norivirus vector to our mouths

Quite possibly, I don't recall everything he said tbh. Not suggesting people shouldn't wash thier hands, the point is some things everyone knew to be true 6 months ago are now being quietly debunked so we need to question whatever the next accepted truths are, whatever they may be.
Regarding norovirus the wife and I were discussing it yesterday, wonder if constant contact with sheep and dogs has a protective effect due to constant hand washing involved, very rarely get ill that way

 

[primmiemoo]

Quite possibly, I don't recall everything he said tbh. Not suggesting people shouldn't wash thier hands, the point is some things everyone knew to be true 6 months ago are now being quietly debunked so we need to question whatever the next accepted truths are, whatever they may be.
Regarding norovirus the wife and I were discussing it yesterday, wonder if constant contact with sheep and dogs has a protective effect due to constant hand washing involved, very rarely get ill that way

Certainly learning more about this new zoonotic virus! Incredibly, early on, some were recommending saline washes for the nose as a means to stop it, as though it's only a common cold, so everything really has moved on since then.
The science is still saying that ventilation is top consideration where covid is involved, but good general human to human biosecurity is the way to keep it at bay. Masks work.

We don't catch the screaming abdabs often, either. Think that's to do with not working with other humans that much ~ and being strict about paw washing in the younger generation. One caught campy from the sheeps, somehow. Very scary time, that was. Nobody wants a repeat.

 

[Cheesehead]

Quite possibly, I don't recall everything he said tbh. Not suggesting people shouldn't wash thier hands, the point is some things everyone knew to be true 6 months ago are now being quietly debunked so we need to question whatever the next accepted truths are, whatever they may be.
Regarding norovirus the wife and I were discussing it yesterday, wonder if constant contact with sheep and dogs has a protective effect due to constant hand washing involved, very rarely get ill that way

Was he the one who said that hand sanitiser isn't as effective against norivirus as it is against covid?

If anything, when norivirus is around, we need to continue washing our hands at regular intervals, don't we? Soap and water.
Certainly need to keep hands away from our faces to stop transfer of norivirus vector to our mouths

Having had norovirus years ago I can attest you really really don't want it, drinking water constantly so you have something to throw up two seconds later rather than your stomach folding itself up and trying to push itself up out your throat for two to three days solid.

Works well as a diet plan though but I don't know if sheep or dogs help as I caught it at a party as one of the guests had it and was still recovering from it but has still decided to go.

 

[Cheesehead]

some were recommending saline washes for the nose as a means to stop it, as though it's only a common cold, so everything really has moved on since then.

Please don't I've only just been able to start drinking tea again after years of the disturbing sight of one of my siblings standing over a sink with what looked like a tea pot stuck up one nostril with the contents pouring out the other nostril