Today's biggest tractor price difference

[jorgenbg]

The interesting part there is "agreement between dealers"
I know Norway isn't in the EU but.. anywhere else that is illegal, plain and simple.

This was an AGCO brand and from what I understand this is something decided by them to keep everyone happy. When I bought the brand new tractor, I saved beetween 25-30k pounds compared to the campaign they were running here. I was lucky on the exchange rate at moment.

If I go into a MB dealership somewhere in Germany and say I want to order a brand new car, they wont let me. I have to order it in the country I live. To protect the Norwegian dealers.

 

[holywell farmer]

The new valtra t254 can be bought for €130k and that's euro , that is mad money for the Deere . No wonder JD are loosing sales.

Yeah bosses jd are scared Valtra will put them out of business,,,,,,,,

 

[james ds]

Yeah bosses jd are scared Valtra will put them out of business,,,,,,,,

JD are pricing themselves out of business , thinking farmers are going to stay buying the most expensive tractor on the market , when farm crop prices are dropping instead of rising , Ireland's biggest JD user with over 30 JD machines has just bought his first non JD tractor saving €40 ,000. JD sales are falling here for two reasons , JD wanted all big super dealers and so dropped small family owned dealers who were giving great service and selling 25-30 new tractors a year . This dealers took on differant brands and kept all their customers so the looser is JD . And then the latest prise increases are pricing themselves out .

 

[turbo]

JD are pricing themselves out of business , thinking farmers are going to stay buying the most expensive tractor on the market , when farm crop prices are dropping instead of rising , Ireland's biggest JD user with over 30 JD machines has just bought his first non JD tractor saving €40 ,000. JD sales are falling here for two reasons , JD wanted all big super dealers and so dropped small family owned dealers who were giving great service and selling 25-30 new tractors a year . This dealers took on differant brands and kept all their customers so the looser is JD . And then the latest prise increases are pricing themselves out .

But the sales figures that were released don't say that do they,you have said that for years and every time the sales numbers come out deere have stayed the same or increased their numbers

 

[holywell farmer]

JD are pricing themselves out of business , thinking farmers are going to stay buying the most expensive tractor on the market , when farm crop prices are dropping instead of rising , Ireland's biggest JD user with over 30 JD machines has just bought his first non JD tractor saving €40 ,000. JD sales are falling here for two reasons , JD wanted all big super dealers and so dropped small family owned dealers who were giving great service and selling 25-30 new tractors a year . This dealers took on differant brands and kept all their customers so the looser is JD . And then the latest prise increases are pricing themselves out .

I don't get bogged down in technical stuff but, if take sales figures John Deere have consistently been number 1 brand for. At least last 30 years

 

[nick...]

John Deere hold the best residuals aswell
Nick...

 

[james ds]

But the sales figures that were released don't say that do they,you have said that for years and every time the sales numbers come out deere have stayed the same or increased their numbers

JD were knocked off the top spot here last year.

 

[james ds]

I don't get bogged down in technical stuff but, if take sales figures John Deere have consistently been number 1 brand for. At least last 30 years

Just checked the figures released here last week , JD have dropped from no 1 to third , NH are top with 21% , MF are next on 20% and JD down to 19% , from a high of 25% .

 

[Jim B]

Just checked the figures released here last week , JD have dropped from no 1 to third , NH are top with 21% , MF are next on 20% and JD down to 19% , from a high of 25% .

Source?

 

[Clive]

Yeah bosses jd are scared Valtra will put them out of business,,,,,,,,

I think all the "big" manufactures have a lot more to worry about re the likes of Kubota personally

 

[nick...]

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I think all the "big" manufactures have a lot more to worry about re the likes of Kubota personally

Im with you on this.must be a 200/250 hp version on the way
Nick...

 

[Clive]

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Im with you on this.must be a 200/250 hp version on the way
Nick...

without doubt there will be, probably just buy someone with an existing larger range - they are giants vs the brands we are used to thinking of as "big" in europe

 

[james ds]

Source?

Official figures released here last week by the FTMTA .

 

[Jim B]

I think all the "big" manufactures have a lot more to worry about re the likes of Kubota personally

Agreed. I know Kubota was talked about at some John Deere dealer training not so long ago...!

 

[Lincsman]

JD are pricing themselves out of business , thinking farmers are going to stay buying the most expensive tractor on the market , when farm crop prices are dropping instead of rising , Ireland's biggest JD user with over 30 JD machines has just bought his first non JD tractor saving €40 ,000. JD sales are falling here for two reasons , JD wanted all big super dealers and so dropped small family owned dealers who were giving great service and selling 25-30 new tractors a year . This dealers took on differant brands and kept all their customers so the looser is JD . And then the latest prise increases are pricing themselves out .

That does not matter, marketing gurus will tell you, put the price up to double the ACTUAL profit, you might only sell half as many but overall profit is the same and you become a "premium" brand.
A Ferrari does not cost treble the manufacturing cost of a Mondeo, but with a brand name like that you can charge 30 times the mondeo price.

 

[Jim B]

without doubt there will be, probably just buy someone with an existing larger range - they are giants vs the brands we are used to thinking of as "big" in europe

No they’ll develop themselves. Like they have with the M7001/7002.

If they’d have bought someone they’d have done it by now.

 

[Clive]

Agreed. I know Kubota was talked about at some John Deere dealer training not so long ago...!

when I asked one of the top men at Fendt a couple years ago how he felt they compared to JD his reply was that JD were of little concern to them and it was Kubota etc they were more aware of as competition i the future

 

[Clive]

No they’ll develop themselves. Like they have with the M7001/7002.

If they’d have bought someone they’d have done it by now.

not so sure myself - they have bought plenty of existing companies recently, they are more than capable of their own development but if you want to do things quickly and have instant market share whilst removing one of the competition then acquisition is a lot easier

I believe they already own a big bit of Claas in the form of debt bought form the German government ?


pretty sure they will want combines, foragers etc as well .........

 

[nick...]

Be interesting to know how many of the top spec 170hp kubota there are about.think the youngsters who drive tractors will allways go for jd or fendt if given the choice
Nick...

 

[Lincsman]

not so sure myself - they have bought plenty of existing companies recently, they are more than capable of their own development but if you want to do things quickly and have instant market share whilst removing one of the competition then acquisition is a lot easier

I believe they already own a big bit of Claas in the form of debt bought form the German government ?


pretty sure they will want combines, foragers etc as well .........

Wonder how many orange Lexions they would sell... thinking of green simbas here.