towing - pickups

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Very few (if any??? ) modern pickups have a proper low range gearboxes, the Ford Ranger we have is particularly crap. This means poor reversing performance in tight areas or uphill with a big load on a trailer. Also a PITA that you cannot actually go as slow as you would like forwards at times...

I suspect it's possible to spec different boxes if buying new, but here in the UK, pickups are l often sold as leisure vehicles and toys... so maybe not??

You may have the old Ranger which was particularly high geared in first and reverse high.
The answer to your slow progress is to buy an automatic next time. The torque convertor is effectively a CVT at low revs. It doesn't alter the fact that four wheel drive is engaged in low by all of them that have a proper range box of course. That is where LR Defender excelled.
On the road, the LR didn't tow as nicely but it again had that open diff in low and a change on the move into high that others lack. My pet hate is modern pickups with slow electric motors to engage 4wd and particularly to change from high to low and back up, the ratio changes requiring a dead stop. Its ridiculous when the Isuzu Trooper had a fast acting lever with synchromesh between low and high for even more seamless smooth changes than Land Rover.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
How do you get on reversing a fully loaded trailer up a hill round a sharp corner with your auto ?

Just askin'.
Absolutely no problem from the auto in low range. However, just as with all other pickups, in low range or high 4wd, they wind up like crazy on the bends where there is great traction. The exceptions are the Amarok auto and L200 which have open centre diffs in high range 4wd but the Amarok doesn't even have a low range. The L200 is light and not the most stable towing the heavy trailers, hence the lower towing limit, only just recently raised to 3.5 tons if the trailer is a triple axle.
 

smcapstick

Member
Location
Kirkby Lonsdale
Very few (if any??? ) modern pickups have a proper low range gearboxes, the Ford Ranger we have is particularly crap. This means poor reversing performance in tight areas or uphill with a big load on a trailer. Also a PITA that you cannot actually go as slow as you would like forwards at times...

I suspect it's possible to spec different boxes if buying new, but here in the UK, pickups are l often sold as leisure vehicles and toys... so maybe not??
Buy an auto - problem solved! :)
 
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Snoopy

Member
Location
Scotland
If its any use I have a 12 plate Isuzu D max auto. only 170,000 miles on the clock used for towing various machinery around the country and in and out of fields and the odd forest. I can't complain about it in any way. I did have a Ford Ranger Limited but it felt huge, never towed with it but it was more lively on damp roads! Depending where I am I can get low 30's towing or mid high 30's with just a back full of tools.
 

hally

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
cumbria
Tbh our dmax auto has never had low box engaged and we do a lot of towing, never seems to trouble it. Be a dark day in hell before I go back to manual but funnily enough never really missed my vario tractor as much as I expected when I went back to a power shift box.
 

DrDunc

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dunsyre
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Amarok 2.0l manual 180hp with hi/lo range gearbox.

Had an auto gearbox before, and yes I did go back to a manual.

Speaking as the ex Land Rover development engineering trailer towing specialist.... The amarok is incredibly stable with the ifor behind!
 

Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
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Amarok 2.0l manual 180hp with hi/lo range gearbox.

Had an auto gearbox before, and yes I did go back to a manual.

Speaking as the ex Land Rover development engineering trailer towing specialist.... The amarok is incredibly stable with the ifor behind!
Ah right so what your saying is the guy doing the same job as you but for VW is better than you were:ROFLMAO:
 

DrDunc

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dunsyre
Ah right so what your saying is the guy doing the same job as you but for VW is better than you were:ROFLMAO:
Nah, I taught them :p:ROFLMAO:

The VW has a dynamic electronic stability program that is engaged when you plug in the trailer electrics.

Land Rover didn't have that 20 years ago, they were just softly spring poorly damped and shyte :rolleyes:
 

DrDunc

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Dunsyre
Is the amarok not only rated to 3 ton though?
Yes.Think the new ones are rated to 3.1t in the UK, and 3.5 tonne everywhere else in the world.

They fail a handbrake homologation test in the UK that nobody else anywhere in the world requires. Something to do with the currently UK being such a steep hilly place.

Does anyone seriously give a flying procreation what the pickup is actually rated to?

Fill your ifor with fat lambs or store cattle, and it's always, errr, just under the weight limit officer.....
 

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