trace element requirements in young lambs

[alwayslearning]

At what age in lambs do trace element difficients effect lambs.
If the ewe is covered by bolus.
My vet says a month pre weaning as then the lamb is getting less milk and relying more on grass which will be short in trace elements. and milk as the my vet says won't be.
Always given a trace element drench at firstnemo dose 4-6 weeks.
Pondering if I can give it up.
Bovine I have done blood tests and no what I lack

 

[neilo]

If the ewes are bolused, I would suggest a drench at 4-6 weeks would be fairly pointless, although only costing pennies. It won't last the week out (apart from copper perhaps), so it's not going to be supplying them with much for long anyway.

I try and do them about a month pre-weaning (if they happen to be through for something else), then bolus when they are in for weaning. I'm probably going to use a Mayo bolus instead of a drench for the first treatment too this year.

 

[bovine]

You need to blood test the lambs.

Drench as a stand alone treatment practically pointless. Can be useful if significant deficiency to bring levels up quickly that you then maintain with a bolus.

 

[alwayslearning]

Did OTE="bovine, post: 3812420, member: 12486"]You need to blood test the lambs.

Drench as a stand alone treatment practically pointless. Can be useful if significant deficiency to bring levels up quickly that you then maintain with a bolus.[/QUOTE]
I have blood tested last year on weaned lambs and the year before on ewes.
Will the results be any different?

 

[alwayslearning]

member: 348"]If the ewes are bolused, I would suggest a drench at 4-6 weeks would be fairly pointless, although only costing pennies. It won't last the week out (apart from copper perhaps), so it's not going to be supplying them with much for long anyway.

I try and do them about a month pre-weaning (if they happen to be through for something else), then bolus when they are in for weaning. I'm probably going to use a Mayo bolus instead of a drench for the first treatment too this year.[/QUOTE]
Thanks will drop the multivit drench.
Have cobalt injection ready for month pre weaning.
Was curious weather they would benefit from it earlier.
Have iodine deficiency on blood tests but have no other evidence to suggest it is a issue as fertility is too good and have no other clinical signs

 

[GrannyAching]

If the ewes are bolused, I would suggest a drench at 4-6 weeks would be fairly pointless, although only costing pennies. It won't last the week out (apart from copper perhaps), so it's not going to be supplying them with much for long anyway.

I try and do them about a month pre-weaning (if they happen to be through for something else), then bolus when they are in for weaning. I'm probably going to use a Mayo bolus instead of a drench for the first treatment too this year.

I'm going to give boluses a go for the young lambs, too. In my case the Nettex ones, I think which say they can be used from 5 weeks.

 

[neilo]

I'm going to give boluses a go for the young lambs, too. In my case the Nettex ones, I think which say they can be used from 5 weeks.

Mayo make the Nettex ones IIRC, exactly the same with a different label. Really easy to administer, as they are so wee.

 

[Razor8]

has anyone got a label they can post of the nettex bolus with mineral make up?

 

[TexelBen]

has anyone got a label they can post of the nettex bolus with mineral make up?

I'll take a pic when I get home [emoji106]

 

[TexelBen]

Here you go

 

[Old Tip]

Went to a NSA meeting on in the winter to do with the Ram Longivety project and they have been doing a lot of post-mortem examinations on dead rams. Seems one of the biggest problems was throat injuries, the vets were saying these were probably caused by bad dosing technique or boulousing. Any of you boulous boys have any thoughts, are you causing more probloums than your solving ?

 

[neilo]

Went to a NSA meeting on in the winter to do with the Ram Longivety project and they have been doing a lot of post-mortem examinations on dead rams. Seems one of the biggest problems was throat injuries, the vets were saying these were probably caused by bad dosing technique or boulousing. Any of you boulous boys have any thoughts, are you causing more probloums than your solving ?

If you have a TE deficiency that needs addressing, then not treating is certainly a problem IME. The only other realistic option for treatment would be drenching, which would need to be repeated at 3 weekly intervals. If you had them in for something else at regular intervals, then maybe that's an option. My rams are in the yard at the moment, readying for shearing (it was going to rain, but didn't), which is the first time they've been anywhere near a handling system since November. They were bolused in September, and will have another one today to see them through sales and onto tupping time. Obviously I will be careful administering them, and I have moved onto smaller (Animax 3in1) boluses, which certainly make life easier.

 

[Razor8]

Here you go

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Great thanks, here is the mayo version, not sure if cobalt levels are the same as it's given in a different term

 

[TexelBen]

Quick question, would you bit drench the lambs when you bolus them, as you do with the ewes?

 

[Razor8]

Quick question, would you bit drench the lambs when you bolus them, as you do with the ewes?

??

 

[Al R]

Quick question, would you bit drench the lambs when you bolus them, as you do with the ewes?

We bolus and then worm drench 5-10 seconds later. They say not to do the 2 the same time because of increased levels of S and C if it's a SC drench, but talking to a rep and he said the amount of SC in the wormer was only enough to take out the shock of being handled so bolus them anyway.
We've never had a problem but bolus first because if their going to spit it out/bring it back up it's usually out by the time the drench is in there so you can see them chewing on it or you hear it hit the floor.

 

[neilo]

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Great thanks, here is the mayo version, not sure if cobalt levels are the same as it's given in a different term

Beat me too it, I took photos of the same this morning. Cobalt levels are much higher in the Mayo bolus it seems.
Straight from the horse's mouth: "Mayo ones have 150mg Cobalt Acetate per bolus which is roughly 25% elemental Cobalt (37mg) versus 34mg Cobalt Carbonate in the Nettex ones which is roughly 48% elemental Cobalt (16mg) so over double in the Mayo ones".

Whether you actually need any more than is in the Nettex ones, is a different matter, as any surplus isn't stored in the body, it's just shat/pee'd out.

I won a raffle prize this afternoon, and got to select my prize from the table. A merchant had donated a tub of Nettex boluses and a gun. Several people (all sheep farmers) had already selected from the various bottles of donated wine, etc. I thought the £60 worth of Nettex stuff was a good grab. The same gun will fit my Mayo boluses too.

 

[scholland]

Beat me too it, I took photos of the same this morning. Cobalt levels are much higher in the Mayo bolus it seems.
Straight from the horse's mouth: "Mayo ones have 150mg Cobalt Acetate per bolus which is roughly 25% elemental Cobalt (37mg) versus 34mg Cobalt Carbonate in the Nettex ones which is roughly 48% elemental Cobalt (16mg) so over double in the Mayo ones".

Whether you actually need any more than is in the Nettex ones, is a different matter, as any surplus isn't stored in the body, it's just shat/pee'd out.

I won a raffle prize this afternoon, and got to select my prize from the table. A merchant had donated a tub of Nettex boluses and a gun. Several people (all sheep farmers) had already selected from the various bottles of donated wine, etc. I thought the £60 worth of Nettex stuff was a good grab. The same gun will fit my Mayo boluses too.

We are very very low in cobalt abs gave used the nettex ones for 2 years now, they keep our lambs going fine for 6 weeks, will certainly be using them again this year.

 

[Razor8]

Beat me too it, I took photos of the same this morning. Cobalt levels are much higher in the Mayo bolus it seems.
Straight from the horse's mouth: "Mayo ones have 150mg Cobalt Acetate per bolus which is roughly 25% elemental Cobalt (37mg) versus 34mg Cobalt Carbonate in the Nettex ones which is roughly 48% elemental Cobalt (16mg) so over double in the Mayo ones".

Whether you actually need any more than is in the Nettex ones, is a different matter, as any surplus isn't stored in the body, it's just shat/pee'd out.

I won a raffle prize this afternoon, and got to select my prize from the table. A merchant had donated a tub of Nettex boluses and a gun. Several people (all sheep farmers) had already selected from the various bottles of donated wine, etc. I thought the £60 worth of Nettex stuff was a good grab. The same gun will fit my Mayo boluses too.

Heard a guy saying if there peeing out the extra the mammys will get the benefit or whatever grazes afterwards

 

[TexelBen]

Well I tried to do them yesterday with the adaptor that came with them,that fits on a dosing gun, it's worse than useless, only got 6 done out of 150, and half of them I did by hand. Will be ordering a gun specifically for these and trying again (Carr's didn't have one when I called in)