Tractor complaint

[Cowabunga]

So you are telling me, that if you purchased a car, and it developed a fault of the kind described earlier in this thread, the manufacturer would not want to know?

If the machine had a fault of that nature, and an accident resulted, the HSE would be notified immediately in almost any other industry, probably even if it resulted in only a near miss. I certainly would not want to be in a position of responsibility with that on my conscience.

Well actually cars break down all the time, even in the fast lane of motorways. I've actually seen them with my own eyes. HSE or VOSA or whoever only really get involved to do recalls after there have been a few hundred similar examples and maybe two or three deaths. That's the reality of it.
Just think of those Tanaca airbags which grenade and can actually kill with shrapnel. Yes, there's a recall of millions of them, but its been going on for years and they still haven't finished and they certainly haven't stopped people using the cars fitted with them. Same goes for those Vauxhall and Ford cars that spontaneously combust.

 

[Lincsman]

This is a "dry" clutch in a 150HP tractor?, didnt think anything like that existed for the last 10 years? The last dry clutch I had was in a TW35, now the car is auto I dont actually have one.

 

[Cowabunga]

They have finally agreed to take it in at their cost and investigate, but no guarantee of who will pay the overall repair......We’ll see how things progress. As far as I’m concerned we couldn’t have driven the tractor any differently. There is a warning alarm if you try and ride the clutch, so we use the shuttle lever all the time. My little John Deere has had to do the same work and had 3k hours now and never a spanner near it. The problem tractor was with the dealer at the start of August to fix the spring that engages the diff lock as they had a fault that they weren’t strong enough to engage under load. The dealer was going to check out the clutch as I had been harping on since last November about the tractor not being right. Here we are30-40 hours later it’s totally knackered. All I want is something that is as reliable as our other machines on the farm.

While you are right to expect reasonable reliability, total reliability is down to pot luck, it really is. My silage contractor, who I spoke to today, has just had his JD back after a complete gearbox rebuild, as it wasn't right from new. He has near zero work for it over Winter and the dealer isn't 100% convinced its right and, if not, it might need a complete new box with castings. So nobody is immune to this kind of sh!t I'm afraid.

 

[Moors Lad]

This is a "dry" clutch in a 150HP tractor?, didnt think anything like that existed for the last 10 years? The last dry clutch I had was in a TW35, now the car is auto I dont actually have one.

Maybe I`ve missed something (it`s getting to be a long thread!) - has it been established that it`s a "dry" clutch?

 

[wasted years]

They have finally agreed to take it in at their cost and investigate, but no guarantee of who will pay the overall repair......We’ll see how things progress. As far as I’m concerned we couldn’t have driven the tractor any differently. There is a warning alarm if you try and ride the clutch, so we use the shuttle lever all the time. My little John Deere has had to do the same work and had 3k hours now and never a spanner near it. The problem tractor was with the dealer at the start of August to fix the spring that engages the diff lock as they had a fault that they weren’t strong enough to engage under load. The dealer was going to check out the clutch as I had been harping on since last November about the tractor not being right. Here we are30-40 hours later it’s totally knackered. All I want is something that is as reliable as our other machines on the farm.

If there is no guarantee about who will pay the final bill, I would be wanting a quote to fix it and a written explanation of what is wrong BEFORE the work is done.
Plenty of dealers will make some pap up about this , this and this being wrong just to get the cost onto the customer.

 

[Cowabunga]

If there is no guarantee about who will pay the final bill, I would be wanting a quote to fix it and a written explanation of what is wrong BEFORE the work is done.
Plenty of dealers will make some pap up about this , this and this being wrong just to get the cost onto the customer.

No doubt you could do this but since the dealer hasn't got a clue what's wrong until it is stripped down, what he will probably do is quote a worse case price to replace the whole transmission and stick to it. After all, its not his tractor and he isn't going to pay for the repair under any circumstances from his own pocket.

In fact I can do that right now for you. "It's f**ked and will cost £14,000 to repair". How's that?

 

[michael N123]

80 hours could well have been a demonstrator.

I put 90 hours on the demo tractor we got last spring

 

[solo]

I put 90 hours on the demo tractor we got last spring

On the opposite side I bought a demo combine with 12 hours on it.

 

[wasted years]

No doubt you could do this but since the dealer hasn't got a clue what's wrong until it is stripped down, what he will probably do is quote a worse case price to replace the whole transmission and stick to it. After all, its not his tractor and he isn't going to pay for the repair under any circumstances from his own pocket.

In fact I can do that right now for you. "It's fudgeed and will cost £14,000 to repair". How's that?

Think we have taken two different interpretations here, I think the OP is saying that the dealer is going to split it at the dealers cost to see what is up, but the final bill for bits and putting her knickers back on is to be decided.
Let's take a wild guess and assume they will say that they think someone has been riding the clutch, the OP will get landed with the whole of the bill.
I would ask them to split it, then assess the cost to fix before they put it back together, the oldest trick in the book is to zip it all back up and make up a story.

 

[Lincsman]

Maybe I`ve missed something (it`s getting to be a long thread!) - has it been established that it`s a "dry" clutch?

Not sure now, free play was mentioned which only applies to a dry clutch

 

[wasted years]

Not sure now, free play was mentioned which only applies to a dry clutch

Wrong, I've just been reading my 8110 manual and it needs freeplay , just a tickle.

 

[Lincsman]

Wrong, I've just been reading my 8110 manual and it needs freeplay , just a tickle.

Really?, none of mine have any method of adjustment its all potentiometer controlled. Presume electronically calibrated??? never had an issue so dont know.

 

[wasted years]

Really?, none of mine have any method of adjustment its all potentiometer controlled.

So it says, but it's 90's tractor so maybe not applicable to the OP.

 

[oil barron]

Maybe I`ve missed something (it`s getting to be a long thread!) - has it been established that it`s a "dry" clutch?

In the first post it says the shuttle, clutch and de-clutch button all failed to stop the tractor. That would suggest it’s a wet electric actuated clutch and would also suggest a certain brand.

 

[sawdust]

In the first post it says the shuttle, clutch and de-clutch button all failed to stop the tractor. That would suggest it’s a wet electric actuated clutch and would also suggest a certain brand.

I think your on the case...

 

[7610 super q]

I love these sleuthing threads. Another 10 pages, and we'll have the dealers name too.....

 

[roscoe erf]

I love these sleuthing threads. Another 10 pages, and we'll have the dealers name too.....

 

[betweenthelines]

They have finally agreed to take it in at their cost and investigate, but no guarantee of who will pay the overall repair......We’ll see how things progress. As far as I’m concerned we couldn’t have driven the tractor any differently. There is a warning alarm if you try and ride the clutch, so we use the shuttle lever all the time. My little John Deere has had to do the same work and had 3k hours now and never a spanner near it. The problem tractor was with the dealer at the start of August to fix the spring that engages the diff lock as they had a fault that they weren’t strong enough to engage under load. The dealer was going to check out the clutch as I had been harping on since last November about the tractor not being right. Here we are30-40 hours later it’s totally knackered. All I want is something that is as reliable as our other machines on the farm.

If you've been aware of a clutch problem/tractor not being right since last November, I think you may be viewed as having "accepted" it has a problem.

 

[Dry Rot]

Can some kind and patient person explain why this is different to QF Tractors?

The OP was told the tractor was a good 'un by a dealer and it obviously isn't!

 

[Grim Reaper]

Abdn...........aberdeen?
Case dealer...........?
Only one springs to mind.