Tractor purchasing

[kill]

Well there lies the decision, i dont buy into the expensive warranty, to me its a con, for others its a must, there the ones that hire.

Extended Warranties are insurance based so probably winners on both sides? Some will never have had claims and others have claimed very high amounts ( 200hp Massey owner I talked to had 36k of warranty claims in 18 months) . New tractor's are expensive and bad ones are mega expensive

 

[Will Blackburn]

Extended Warranties are insurance based so probably winners on both sides? Some will never have had claims and others have claimed very high amounts ( 200hp Massey owner I talked to had 36k of warranty claims in 18 months) . New tractor's are expensive and bad ones are mega expensive

Some are insurance policies some aren't.

 

[kill]

Some are insurance policies some aren't.

Kubota's is the exception?

 

[Will Blackburn]

I don't think MF are insurance based?

 

[Tarw Coch]

Trouble is if everybody is heading this way then where are these low houred machines going to come from, somebody has to buy them and take the hit on them to enable the rest of us poorer farmers to buy at semi affordable prices and even then they are still vastly overpriced..

After Breakfast we'll be importing them from the subsidised europeans

 

[Farma Parma]

Trouble is if everybody is heading this way then where are these low houred machines going to come from, somebody has to buy them and take the hit on them to enable the rest of us poorer farmers to buy at semi affordable prices and even then they are still vastly overpriced..

There is still plenty FARM owners that have the cash to spend for various reasons they will fund the new ones
Us mere Tenants will chase after there 3-5yr old low hour'd tradeins thats taking quite a hit from new price.
we bought a new tractor every 6-7years in the past.
Cant get anywhere near the cost of them now the sums dont add up.
Its not the dealers fault & maybe's not really the manufacturers as they want a profit so just keep increasing there prices.
The farmer as normal is by far the hardest grafter in this chain & carrys the most risk but like the supermarket suppliers gets the least out of it.
Heck its bad enough getting the dealers out to repair anything as some of the bills are eye watering.

 

[Farma Parma]

I don't think MF are insurance based?

No its MF or AGCO behind there inhouse warranty setup & its a very good service

 

[Spud]

To me, new tractors are justified on usage. I can't justify buying them new if they're doing less than 1000hrs/year. That said, on 1250hrs/yr, if I bought them at say 4000hrs, theyd quickly have 10,000 on, and we'd be forever changing, increasing the chance of a lemon.
Tractors here with 500hr/yr and less workloads tend to stay long term, and might get changed if we have a good year, or a particularly suitable replacement appears.

 

[Farma Parma]

To me, new tractors are justified on usage. I can't justify buying them new if they're doing less than 1000hrs/year. That said, on 1250hrs/yr, if I bought them at say 4000hrs, theyd quickly have 10,000 on, and we'd be forever changing, increasing the chance of a lemon.
Tractors here with 500hr/yr and less workloads tend to stay long term, and might get changed if we have a good year, or a particularly suitable replacement appears.

Fair comment But what if even at 1000hrs a year there still not justifying there costs ?
Tractors in the last 5years have easily increased 30% if not more but has our end product? nowhere near
All you end up doing as many a contractor do is become a busy fool
I hope this isn't the case.

I'll do 600-700hrs in year in my main two but cannot fund like for like new replacements at say 5000hrs anymore.

£100k for 200hp unboosted Tractor is just bonkers.
my wheat isnt £300 a ton is it ?
or ave 4t year in year out

 

[Farma Parma]

i'll put money on all machinery dropping price when our main subs drop...
its all a big con job

 

[Tarw Coch]

i'll put money on all machinery dropping price when our main subs drop...
its all a big con job

i'll put money on all machinery dropping price when our main subs drop...
its all a big con job

Why? Are tractors any cheaper in any country in the world that have to meet the same regulations as ours.

 

[Spud]

Fair comment But what if even at 1000hrs a year there still not justifying there costs ?
Tractors in the last 5years have easily increased 30% if not more but has our end product? nowhere near
All you end up doing as many a contractor do is become a busy fool
I hope this isn't the case.

I'll do 600-700hrs in year in my main two but cannot fund like for like new replacements at say 5000hrs anymore.

£100k for 200hp unboosted Tractor is just bonkers.
my wheat isnt £300 a ton is it ?
or ave 4t year in year out

6-700 between two tractors? They'll last 20yrs, I wouldnt worry.

We have altered our methods to reduce tractor hours per acre - ie our farmed area has increased by a bigger proportion in the last 5yrs than our tractor hours. I still see what I'd term recreational cultivation going on, not sure how they justify it.

 

[holywell farmer]

i'll put money on all machinery dropping price when our main subs drop...
its all a big con job

Machinery prices at all time high at the moment

 

[7610 super q]

But this is all wrong though isn't it ?
Folks taking on more land to justify paying silly money for tractors... The real test IMO, is how many Tons wheat / spuds / litres milk does it take to buy a tractor compared with 30 years ago ?
They cost far too much, compared to the prices we receive.
17th C prices for produce, 21st C costs.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Why? Are tractors any cheaper in any country in the world that have to meet the same regulations as ours.

If anything they are dearer. Noticed a hell of lot of UK S/H tractors seem to be heading to eastern European in the last 12 months, presumably due to the fall in the pound.

 

[cletracboy]

where do people come up with these figures of how much a machine has cost in repairs whilst in warranty? I have never been given a statement at the end of a warranty period telling what the machine would have cost to repair.

 

[Tarw Coch]

If anything they are dearer. Noticed a hell of lot of UK S/H tractors seem to be heading to eastern European in the last 12 months, presumably due to the fall in the pound.

Also if you look on websites like Aggriaffaires they are asking quite a bit more money for second hand tractors in other European countries.

 

[icanshootwell]

Extended Warranties are insurance based so probably winners on both sides? Some will never have had claims and others have claimed very high amounts ( 200hp Massey owner I talked to had 36k of warranty claims in 18 months) . New tractor's are expensive and bad ones are mega expensive

Like i say every one are different, i am owner driver, if a vault does not appear in the 1st year from new, 99% sure it will be ok.
A 5 tractor outfit on a spud farm, yes you will need a lot of cover

 

[d williams]

If anything they are dearer. Noticed a hell of lot of UK S/H tractors seem to be heading to eastern European in the last 12 months, presumably due to the fall in the pound.

A friend of mine in the construction industry said the uk is the cheapest place in Europe to buy new machines not sure if it's the same for agri but have another friend in France who buys in Wales and takes it back to France

 

[Tarw Coch]

A friend of mine in the construction industry said the uk is the cheapest place in Europe to buy new machines not sure if it's the same for agri but have another friend in France who buys in Wales and takes it back to France

Yes, I've heard that. A few years back one of JD's biggest dealers got in trouble for exporting new ones, undercutting the dealers in Europe.