Tractor servicing costs

[ford 7810]

All my local dealers insist on using genuine lubricants under warranty and dealer service. Makes me run older gear if I can.but what’s the legal (wrong word) situation warranty get out clause.last new tractor JD dealer said jd would stand by it more even out of warranty for they serviced it

 

[hally]

Jd 6130r 500 hr service £549, 1000hr £625, 1500hr £1080. Fixed cost from our local jd guys

 

[startinghandle]

£2400 is enough to overhaul 3 dexta engines providing you keep away from main dealer

 

[Spanner_Man]

So what do you charge on a 5000 hr service?

No 5000hr on cnh tractors, 4800hr which would be £1200 or 5400hr which would be £600

 

[agrimax]

They supplied oil £323 for back end £72 for engine.

So they charged £72 for 10l of engine oil and £323 for around 60l of UTTO?
What all else did they do in a service to charge £2400?

 

[jondear]

JCB gear oil the other day 20 litres £108 !

 

[Spanner_Man]

So they charged £72 for 10l of engine oil and £323 for around 60l of UTTO?
What all else did they do in a service to charge £2400?

Would be 20l engine oil and nester 100l of backend oil on a 1200hr service

 

[fermerboy]

Would be 20l engine oil and nester 100l of backend oil on a 1200hr service

I'd agree with your amounts but multiplied up thats working out at £720 a barrel for engine oil which @nick... above said he bought at £395
Likewise making backend oil at £646 a barrel.
Seems steep to me, love to see the invoice....
Glad I have older stuff I can service myself.

 

[Spanner_Man]

I'd say £70 odd would be right for the endine oil, I would think the dealer will be using unitek which is the genuine oil. Always more expensive to buy in 20l form than bulk, same goes for the backend oil. Also the price of oil has has increased massively over the last 6-8 months. More mark up and better stock control for dealers using 20l drums

 

[agrimax]

Would be 20l engine oil and nester 100l of backend oil on a 1200hr service

Isn't it a 4 cyl engine in a T6.155 hence the 10l of oil?

 

[kiwi pom]

That’s now what he’s saying , he’s using the recommended spec oils but they just don’t have Nh written on the drum, no tractor manufacture make their own oil, a very important point that a lot of people forget. It’s the spec sheet on the drum you need to understand , not the fancy colour and picture of your tractor on the drum that counts .

No of course they don't make their own but I always understood it that some manufacturers have their own blend made for them, oils may be up to the same standard but have different things added? JD being one of them but I can't remember where I got that from so could have it wrong.

 

[JACK F]

Get frustated with oil. Have 200l drums of genuine oil but because tractor under warranty dealers have to book out oil to the service job so charge double amount using their own 20l cans. Dealers never worried too much in past and we just serviced tractors ourselves. If did something wrong or used wrong oils then it was on our head. Manufacturers appeared to now tightened up on it and dealers have to service and record everything for job to keep warranty valid. Will have too look back to see what our 1200hr bill was. I know I was not happy with it but sure was nowhere near £2400.

 

[76masseyman]

No of course they don't make their own but I always understood it that some manufacturers have their own blend made for them, oils may be up to the same standard but have different things added? JD being one of them but I can't remember where I got that from so could have it wrong.

John Deere claimed their +50 II engine oil was developed in conjunction with JD engineers as well as the JDQ 78X specification being something special. Trading standards in Germany pulled the plug on both claims in 2019.
Fines were imposed if JD continued with these statements.

 

[76masseyman]

Points 1, 2, 3 and 5 worth noting if anyone unsure.

 

[ACEngineering]

Agreed,been stung in the past being charged for things not done.They usually send an apprentice anyway,it really isn’t difficult ,even using manufacturers oil it shouldn’t be more than £2/litre if you buy it in 200litre drums (apart from the latest engine oils)

How else do you expect an apprentice to gain experience with out doing basic stuff like servicing? Steam cleaning and basic servicing is the best way for someone to get around the machine and learn what's what where, Dealers are often doing fixed price services anyway so assuming apprentice has done it to the book not going to make any difference to the price if it took him longer or not, although he will get a ticking off from the service manager to speed up if needed.

How are they going to progress to the more complicated jobs and diagnostics? they all have to start somewhere and at some point they have to go at it alone and move from apprentice to experienced engineer or tech.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

How are they going to progress to the more complicated jobs and diagnostics? they all have to start somewhere and at some point they have to go at it alone and move from apprentice to experienced engineer or tech.

That moment that you have no idea when it will come or maybe already has but you don’t know intill one critical point when you look around for a hand and no bugger is in sight…….

 

[kiwi pom]

John Deere claimed their +50 II engine oil was developed in conjunction with JD engineers as well as the JDQ 78X specification being something special. Trading standards in Germany pulled the plug on both claims in 2019.
Fines were imposed if JD continued with these statements.

I don't know who makes JD oil.
So their engine oil is exactly the same as other oils to the same spec?
I agree that using any oil to the correct spec is fine, I'm just wondering if all oils within the same spec are the same?

 

[76masseyman]

I don't know who makes JD oil.
So their engine oil is exactly the same as other oils to the same spec?
I agree that using any oil to the correct spec is fine, I'm just wondering if all oils within the same spec are the same?

I believe Shell still make JD branded stuff.
The +50 II is an ACEA E9, API CK4 in a 15w/40 for the UK market.
ACEA and API are internationally recognised specifications, and found on all good quality engine oils.
Amuse me when someone with a Valtra, an MF and a Fastrac has 3 brands of engine oil in stock when all 3 machines have Sisu engines.

 

[Kidds]

How else do you expect an apprentice to gain experience with out doing basic stuff like servicing? Steam cleaning and basic servicing is the best way for someone to get around the machine and learn what's what where, Dealers are often doing fixed price services anyway so assuming apprentice has done it to the book not going to make any difference to the price if it took him longer or not, although he will get a ticking off from the service manager to speed up if needed.

How are they going to progress to the more complicated jobs and diagnostics? they all have to start somewhere and at some point they have to go at it alone and move from apprentice to experienced engineer or tech.

Have no problem with that but do take issue with paying £240 hourly labour charge for the apprentice.

 

[kiwi pom]

I believe Shell still make JD branded stuff.
The +50 II is an ACEA E9, API CK4 in a 15w/40 for the UK market.
ACEA and API are internationally recognised specifications, and found on all good quality engine oils.

Yes, that doesn't answer my question though. When shell is on a JD production run, is the product the same as the next customer and they just swap the label on the barrels or does each customer have their own blend with different additives?