Tractors...COST TO CHANGE!!!

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I doubt the trade would even offer 70k for a 10,000 hr tractor. The list of potential buyers for a machine like that at that price tag is very small.

not so sure right now given prices and wait time for new kit (not just tractors) high quality machines (all brands) have a lot of life left at 10k IMO and are a long way from worthless
 

oil barron

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Location
Aberdeenshire
not so sure right now given prices and wait time for new kit (not just tractors) high quality machines (all brands) have a lot of life left at 10k IMO and are a long way from worthless
Oh yes. Tractors are fine at 10,000 hrs. Big difference between running a tractor you know past 10,000hrs though and buying one at 10,000hrs. Spending 70k on a tractor it is going to have to do a serious amount of work. You have to have confidence it is going to be reliable for many more thousand hours.
 

Two Tone

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Mixed Farmer
I was up in North Yorkshire at the weekend and there were a lot of Fendts up there. I was rather surprised as I regards most farmers up there tend to be careful with their “Brass”!

Based on a chap locally who switched from JD’s to Fendts and has had nothing but trouble with them, I’ll be sticking with NH.
Interestingly his email address still starts allJD………!
I just can’t see why they are so highly rated when 2 out of 3 of his needed new engines in their 1st year.
Also interesting that the supplying Dealer, who were very highly rated with their MF customers, lost the dealership of both. Now selling Kubota like hot cakes!
 
Location
Cheshire
yes no doubt they are good machines as are NH, the problem however is 50% happens to be a serious amount of money to loose and substantially more than the blue one? even in depreciation terms the fendt has prob lost 55k while the nh has lost 45k
The fendt is a 25% more capable tractor solely on a hp basis, so will have cost much less per hour worked. This is before you consider operational efficiency.
 

Farmer_Joe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
Interesting point raised about running them to 20k hours, if it were me personally I would definitely be doing that owning a few as cover, tractors ain’t really changed a lot in 20 years they have all got poweshift or auto power trans/ suspension etc what more does a brand new one offer over a well specd 10 year old tractor?

Its the ‘just out’ of warranty repairs that seem to be the most crippling too…anew machine that cost loads to fix!

I don’t do many hours being sheep farming so only have 1 tractor that does everything and is a modest 10year plus in age, the way prices are going I doubt I will ever change it now has just over 7000 hours
 
The fendt is a 25% more capable tractor solely on a hp basis, so will have cost much less per hour worked. This is before you consider operational efficiency.
you say that but a smaller one works out similar cost to change i did the maths on a 718, also most the 724 guys i know are working 5 furrow ploughs and many with loaders on, cant see any of those doing 25% more work
 
75% is also a serious amount to lose - more than 50% in fact


covered this before so won't go around in circles again on this thread but in proper depreciation terms our last 724 lost 25k in 5 years 5k hours - that's, not a bad cost per hour depreciation at £5/hr , my only regret is I should have kept it to 10k really but the deal was right to change at the time

I've run most makes over the years and the Fendt are the cheapest to operate I've had overall, I rarely get to drive them myself so really don't care much about anything other than the numbers / reliability / back up and service these days


cost to buy is of little relevance as long as you have the ability to finance that (and cost that finance of course ) - its cost of ownership that you should focus upon

I do accept however there are many ways to skin the same cat ! and lots of other good quality manufacturers out there, we all just find different ways !
ok without going round in circles then 50% of 160k is MORE than 75% of 80k, so much more infact i could about buy a new pickup, now imagine i ran 3 fendts instead of NH
 

tullah

Member
Location
Linconshire
I wonder if the more impressive the tractor, the less likely the operator will volunteer to doing more menial tasks.
Agreed if advertising for a tractor driver and state new Fendt that you may fill the position sooner than I would with a similar powered but nineties model.
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
Yes of course, I would put it around £42'ish, it has steering too and has been very well looked after, quite a rare old girl so will try and keep her, who knows she may go up in value one day!!!
I think it was £72k brand new but not 100% certain, I'd have to look at my books.
A friend had a 2009 6080 ultra high spec and that was around £78k iirc. Apparently £17k in extras but you couldn’t get any other extra on it and he asked for more things to be put on it
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
ok without going round in circles then 50% of 160k is MORE than 75% of 80k, so much more infact i could about buy a new pickup, now imagine i ran 3 fendts instead of NH
Are you not missing the point? Yes you could buy a pickup with the loose change. However. You are asking a price on price to change not cost of ownership.
No one is saying the fendt will do more work. You have sort of answered your own question. So next question.
Whats the price to change your current pickup?
 
I wonder if the more impressive the tractor, the less likely the operator will volunteer to doing more menial tasks.
Agreed if advertising for a tractor driver and state new Fendt that you may fill the position sooner than I would with a similar powered but nineties model.
So some will pilot a new fendt for a tenner ,
would rather have a 25 year old jd and have 15
 

daveydiesel1

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Co antrim
Seeing as no1 has brought it up yet he said he changed to a 2020 t7210 at 80k which isnt a new tractor. So for those comparing a the fendt change from 80k to 160k with 80k to change the new holland t7200 to a brand new t7210 autocommand which it has to be to compare apples to apples would be around the 80k mark to change so no real difference?
 

Fish

Member
Location
North yorkshire
I was up in North Yorkshire at the weekend and there were a lot of Fendts up there. I was rather surprised as I regards most farmers up there tend to be careful with their “Brass”!

Based on a chap locally who switched from JD’s to Fendts and has had nothing but trouble with them, I’ll be sticking with NH.
Interestingly his email address still starts allJD………!
I just can’t see why they are so highly rated when 2 out of 3 of his needed new engines in their 1st year.
Also interesting that the supplying Dealer, who were very highly rated with their MF customers, lost the dealership of both. Now selling Kubota like hot cakes!
I’m guessing the thirsk area, I’d like to know which ex fendt/mf dealer is now selling kubota, because as far as I’m aware there has never been a duel fendt/mf dealer in this area.
On the fendt North Yorkshire farmer thing, of the nine farmers that abut my farm, 4 only run fendts, as do I, the rest are almost 100% jd.
North Yorkshire farmers maybe tight with brass, but we know a good product and deal when we see one.
Another reason there are a lot of fendts in this area is the dealer who has been selling them for more than 40 years, I’ve been running them for 35 and many of my neighbours longer.
 

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