Trading standards cancels sale

[opininionated]

I am amazed at the lack of support for a policy which is surely designed (in theory anyway) to remove the cowboys form the industry.
Why would you want a shed that is bodged together by comedians intent on gaining an edge by cutting corners.

I can understand the concept of CE marking for goods that are distance sold to unknown customers, but it seems a sledgehammer to crack a nut when it stops local fabricators dealing with long standing customers who are happy with the workmanship and product supplied.

 

[digger don]

I am amazed at the lack of support for a policy which is surely designed (in theory anyway) to remove the cowboys form the industry.
Why would you want a shed that is bodged together by comedians intent on gaining an edge by cutting corners.

I would just like a new shied that i might be able to afford! Hope they get things sorted!

 

[PSQ]

I can understand the concept of CE marking for goods that are distance sold to unknown customers, but it seems a sledgehammer to crack a nut when it stops local fabricators dealing with long standing customers who are happy with the workmanship and product supplied.

IIRC, CE is a self certification scheme. Conform with the standards and slap on the "CE" mark.

No sledgehammers required, just designed to weed out the bullshitters

 

[opininionated]

IIRC, CE is a self certification scheme. Conform with the standards and slap on the "CE" mark.

No sledgehammers required, just designed to weed out the bullshitters

I don't think it is self certified in the steel frame structure business.
It is in a lot of other industry though.

 

[milkloss]

IIRC, CE is a self certification scheme. Conform with the standards and slap on the "CE" mark.

No sledgehammers required, just designed to weed out the bullshitters

Or make them!

 

[the-mad-welder]

It is self certifying as in you check your own work and issue the necessary paperwork. You have to have your 'system' checked, audited and approved for use. There is then a yearly re audit to make sure you're sticking to it and you can, in theory, be subject to random checks. You also have to have an independent 'responsible welding coordinator' to monitor and advise you on a regular basis. So yes, it is self certifying, but theres plenty of people keeping an eye on you!!

 

[PSQ]

It is self certifying as in you check your own work and issue the necessary paperwork. You have to have your 'system' checked, audited and approved for use. There is then a yearly re audit to make sure you're sticking to it and you can, in theory, be subject to random checks. You also have to have an independent 'responsible welding coordinator' to monitor and advise you on a regular basis. So yes, it is self certifying, but theres plenty of people keeping an eye on you!!

Sounds like a fair scheme.

Given it is a mark of good engineering practices, why have the company in the OP chosen to avoid participating in it ?

 

[MickMoor]

Anybody interested in what is required for a CE marked building, might like to read through thisdocument, prepared by RIDBA before the introduction of this requirement, http://www.ridba.org.uk/CEmarking/CE-Marking.pdf

 

[Mark C]

Does this mean that non CE marked second hand steel buildings have limited value? I have a 2014 non CE marked 120 x 60 shed that I need valuing.

 

[the-mad-welder]

Does this mean that non CE marked second hand steel buildings have limited value? I have a 2014 non CE marked 120 x 60 shed that I need valuing.

I wouldn't think it makes much difference as it doesn't apply to it. Might even be a more attractive option in some cases.

 

[the-mad-welder]

The welding engineer who's helping me with all this is of the opinion that EN1090 and CE marking of buildings, structural steel and building regulations generally will be more stringently enforced due to the Grenfell Tower fire and the fallout from it. Maybe this sale being cancelled is just the start of it?

 

[Yale]

A while ago our local steel fabricator told me he could only provide non CE structures if they were one offs.

Don't know if this is true.

All you have to do is change a portal frame shed design to be non standard?

 

[the-mad-welder]

A while ago our local steel fabricator told me he could only provide non CE structures if they were one offs.

Don't know if this is true.

All you have to do is change a portal frame shed design to be non standard?

This is where the term 'series production' comes in. As I've been led to believe, if a local fabricator/welder, who wouldn't normally make a shed, is asked to make one that would be ok as it is a one off. He/she may then get another job off the back of the first one the following month and would then need to comply as it has then become series production. Even if the second shed is a different size/spec to the first one, its still a steel building and you are now 'in the business' of fabricating buildings. I asked the question 'how long would it need to be between the two jobs then?' and was told 'that's a very grey area' !!

 

[Bloders]

i suspect all those affected by having a shed collapse in adverse weather conditions, who subsequently find (not always) the shed was not really fit for purpose would be in favour of CE marking - it brings a enforceable standard to something which could be quite dangerous if done wrong?

 

[Henarar]

I would just like a new shied that i might be able to afford! Hope they get things sorted!

I have seen sheds sold at sales before, very often they don't have roof sheets [not sure if these did] and they don't seem that cheap to me, I looked at a few and bought new not much difference in price and everything was included and done to my spec and if there was a problem there is someone to go to get it put right

shop around some shed builders want twice the money for the same size and spec shed

 

[sawdust]

i suspect all those affected by having a shed collapse in adverse weather conditions, who subsequently find (not always) the shed was not really fit for purpose would be in favour of CE marking - it brings a enforceable standard to something which could be quite dangerous if done wrong?

But nobody ever remembers their neighbours collapsed shed or 25 dead cattle when a cheap new shed is on the offer

 

[slackjawedyokel]

If you have a shed built which comes down within a few years under weight of snow (as many sheds did around here a few years ago), I’d imagine your insurer would be asking a few questions about the standards to which the shed had been built before they get their cheque book out.

 

[B R C]

Surely the important bit is the engineers drawing specs to current regs for the location i.e. Wind snow etc. As long as this is correct any fab shop with appropriate welding skills should be able to fabricate?

 

[Pilatus]

Could this Thread be also put under ,
"Buildings and Infrastructure" section?

 

[DairyGrazing]

I am amazed at the lack of support for a policy which is surely designed (in theory anyway) to remove the cowboys from the industry.
Why would you want a shed that is bodged together by comedians intent on gaining an edge by cutting corners.

Been to sort out too many disasters where people haven’t bothered to follow British Standards or Euro codes. Deaths and pollution caused by people who think they are above the systems / been doing so long they know better.

Design codes + good quality control + experience = the answer.