Trailed vs Self Propelled Sprayer

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Cambridge
I can answer that one. A GS currently uses Muller electronics whereas an Lt uses Horsch electronics which are much more user friendly and have far more automated systems on it. Generally better to operate I would say. They tell me in time the GS will get Horsch electrics on as well.

Electronics not great on our GS
 
Quick question for the sages: can anyone see why Bateman depreciation might start to increase in the next 5-10 years? Are they really head and shoulders above the rest in this respect? Looking at our RB17 I think our annual depreciation rate might be as low as 4% per annum over 9 years which is ridiculous.
 
Quick question for the sages: can anyone see why Bateman depreciation might start to increase in the next 5-10 years? Are they really head and shoulders above the rest in this respect? Looking at our RB17 I think our annual depreciation rate might be as low as 4% per annum over 9 years which is ridiculous.

Probably right as a 17 is popular model. The bigger ones run at about 7-8%.
 
Probably right as a 17 is popular model. The bigger ones run at about 7-8%.

But do you think that's likely to continue? Are they updating their design to keep their models up-to-date enough to avoid being overtaken. They would say that whilst they retain exceptional customer service and back-up that people will want to keep coming back to them. I also think their relative simplicity in some areas compared to competitors scores points as machines age. If something is really complicated and expensive to fix, you worry more about buying a used machine.
 
But do you think that's likely to continue? Are they updating their design to keep their models up-to-date enough to avoid being overtaken. They would say that whilst they retain exceptional customer service and back-up that people will want to keep coming back to them.

I would think so yes because people are keeping things longer due to increased costs so backup is the most important factor. If Bateman started offering a longer warranty than anybody else then that and the recognised backup would blow lots of other manufacturers out of the water.

What you don't want though is for them to build a new factory and double output.

I would think Bateman business model is also changing a bit as well. Probably the same number of new machines sold or possibly slightly less than ten years ago, but increased income from repairs to older machines as they are the 'go to' manufacturer if you want a used SP sprayer.
 
I would think so yes because people are keeping things longer due to increased costs so backup is the most important factor. If Bateman started offering a longer warranty than anybody else then that and the recognised backup would blow lots of other manufacturers out of the water.

What you don't want though is for them to build a new factory and double output.

I would think Bateman business model is also changing a bit as well. Probably the same number of new machines sold or possibly slightly less than ten years ago, but increased income from repairs to older machines as they are the 'go to' manufacturer if you want a used SP sprayer.

So if you were Bateman, would you be quite happy to have a waiting list of 12 months?
 
From a purely depreciation POV, this is the problem with Horsch. There's 50+ units out there, and I am not aware of any having been sold yet with a price that can be identified. I remember that we had this sort of hype when the Mzuri first came out. Everyone was raving about them, and maybe only one had been sold on the used market. Went and bought one and took quite a hit on depreciation. Vowed not to do that again, hence why we went for the John Deere drill over the Weaving with better known residual values.

I can't be sure that a big trailed will work well on our land, especially if we retain rotational ploughing, whereas I know that the RB17 works. Change always comes with a price. I learnt that too after spending days trying to get our complex Amazone spreader to work properly.
 
From a purely depreciation POV, this is the problem with Horsch. There's 50+ units out there, and I am not aware of any having been sold yet with a price that can be identified. I remember that we had this sort of hype when the Mzuri first came out. Everyone was raving about them, and maybe only one had been sold on the used market. Went and bought one and took quite a hit on depreciation. Vowed not to do that again, hence why we went for the John Deere drill over the Weaving with better known residual values.

I can't be sure that a big trailed will work well on our land, especially if we retain rotational ploughing, whereas I know that the RB17 works. Change always comes with a price. I learnt that too after spending days trying to get our complex Amazone spreader to work properly.

I doubt Horsch will be any different to Chafer or Landquip which hold value better than the likes of JD or Kuhn sprayers. Horsch could live off their boom height control system as it's far superior to anything else out there.

Weavings don't depreciate badly at all. 7% if buying new.
 

Tractor Boy

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Location
Suffolk
What are people's opinions on landquip trailed sprayers?
I'm on my second one. Good sprayer in my opinion. I like the Aluminium boom although it is obviously slightly more specialist to repair. My current one however has not needed any repairs as we went for the heavier construction boom. Our original was a lighter weight boom and did develop cracks but I'm not sure whether they do the lighter weight one any more anyway.
 
I doubt Horsch will be any different to Chafer or Landquip which hold value better than the likes of JD or Kuhn sprayers. Horsch could live off their boom height control system as it's far superior to anything else out there.

Weavings don't depreciate badly at all. 7% if buying new.

Did you sell your Big Disc for a decent price in the end? I saw it on TractorPool for a while.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I'd like to think some of my spring barley at 4 t/ha was a nod towards this philosophy! On a serious note, are you still intending to build enough storage to be able to carry grain from year to year?

I would love to be able to, not sure how realistic an ambition it actually is however in both cash flow and capital terms !
 

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