Triton direct seed drill

[Warnesworth]

It’s most certainly does go through chopped straw see attached.
It’s not going to go through a thick cover crop but that’s no different to our Horsch ST or Sabre Tine. Both blocked up but that’s not the drills as such. It’s the fact they are tines.

Not sure why you think it won’t with either cover crops though. Again that’s not true. This last spring we topped the cover we had drilled from autumn 19 and the Triton planted spring wheat for us. I’m looking at front mounting a topper so I can top and drill in one pass where the soil allows if lighter. Heavier clays will need destroying early in the New Year to get some drying for March drilling but that’s the same for any kind of direct drill. It’s not the drills it’s the type of soil as covers keep them sodden wet, so they need removing to start the drying process.

Our Vos are 3 inch points.

Again I’ll refer you to the attached pic for the Triton soil movement. It’s not like our old Weaving Big Disc or a 750 but it’s impressive for a tine machine. If you set everything deep then yes it’ll move soil similar to that of a Claydon and Mzuri.

Fair enough - if you can get it to go through chopped straw and cover then brilliant, I stand corrected but I am aware of people who couldn't get it to cope with chopped straw, and at Groundswell, by their own admission, it wouldn't go through cover crop and they stopped demoing the machine.

Which seeding leg are you running on the Triton?

 

[average farmer]

I recently sole a modified simba freeflow and the amount of farmers who called about it that commented about the Triton dill was unreal. Most of them saying if they sold the parts/coulters they would try making something for them self's . I think they're missing a trick or is there something I missing .

 

[warksfarmer]

Fair enough - if you can get it to go through chopped straw and cover then brilliant, I stand corrected but I am aware of people who couldn't get it to cope with chopped straw, and at Groundswell, by their own admission, it wouldn't go through cover crop and they stopped demoing the machine.

Which seeding leg are you running on the Triton?

The seeding leg that came with it. That’s all I know but you certainly don’t need it running deep. I’m not aware of different options.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

It would be really easy to copy the Triton coulter and fit to any drill frame, depth control might be much better.

 

[warksfarmer]

I recently sole a modified simba freeflow and the amount of farmers who called about it that commented about the Triton dill was unreal. Most of them saying if they sold the parts/coulters they would try making something for them self's . I think they're missing a trick or is there something I missing .

I don’t understand this viewpoint of why so many people think they should be selling the tines off for people to make their own frames. I wouldn’t.

It’s a bit like saying JD should stop selling their auto steer kits and instead sell all the bits off to anybody who wants them, to make cheaper systems.

 

[Clive]

I don’t understand this viewpoint of why so many people think they should be selling the tines off for people to make their own frames. I wouldn’t.

It’s a bit like saying JD should stop selling their auto steer kits and instead sell all the bits off to anybody who wants them, to make cheaper systems.

but JD do sell auto steer to fit to other tractor brands ?


Triton would make more money if they sold the tines

there is nothing to stop a farmer copying the tine as long as they don’t start selling them, I know of someone who already has in fact

 

[average farmer]

I’m sure jd would sell me a dome with out me buying a screen if I wanted one or loom of some sort or another.

I have a frame and a hopper already, can’t justify spending £20 +k on a drill that in three years time might be worth very little.

 

[Clive]

I’m sure jd would sell me a dome with out me buying a screen if I wanted one or loom of some sort or another.

I have a frame and a hopper already, can’t justify spending £20 +k on a drill that in three years time might be worth very little.

just get a local fabricator to cut you some similar tines, just don’t start selling them !

 

[average farmer]

just get a local fabricator to cut you some similar tines, just don’t start selling them !

had a word with Martin lishman today about some VOS opener’s to fit a standard pig tail tine, that I already have on the frame

 

[Clive]

had a word with Martin lishman today about some VOS opener’s to fit a standard pig tail tine, that I already have on the frame

the 19mm VOS will do anything the Triton can IME - we could drill into anything a tractor could drive through with them last year

 

[warksfarmer]

but JD do sell auto steer to fit to other tractor brands ?


Triton would make more money if they sold the tines

there is nothing to stop a farmer copying the tine as long as they don’t start selling them, I know of someone who already has in fact

That’s the same as Triton selling a complete drill through a dealer. What I’m saying is JD wouldn’t sell the individual components of a steering system to Trimble for example for them to use.

 

[Clive]

That’s the same as Triton selling a complete drill through a dealer. What I’m saying is JD wouldn’t sell the individual components of a steering system to Trimble for example for them to use.

jd would sell any component they list a part number for to anyone willing to pay as far as i’m aware ?

ie Triton coyld buy a 750a coulter if they chose to ?

 

[Alistair Nelson]

I would agree to a certain extent but sell them under license to another manufacturer or to a few crazy people with a crazy idea at a relatively inflated price and your getting numbers out there and learning all the while. And show me a farmer who has built his own machine who says it’s sh!t! You won’t at worst he’ll say couldn’t make it work how he thought or just needs abit of work but main thing is your making friends and hopefully money along the way and gaining respect which is actually key to growth.

ask Brian knight about selling booms under license to jd in America what’s the point he already makes sprayers why give them his designs to make them makes money (Brian’s pension fund) and all the time gains contacts and respect. Why the hell they didn’t put them on the early European machines no body knows but apparently the Dutch didn’t realise what the americas were upto! But imagine if Triton sold tines under license to Horsch or amazone etc suddenly they’re in a different league so why take the morale high ground and not sell them just don’t see the logic sorry

 

[warksfarmer]

A few updated pics in no particular order.
mustard/raddish cover
Forage turnip for grazing
Barley up and in row
Some wheat drilling into disc/pressed ground.

 

[clbarclay]

It’s more power hungry than I thought though and on the soil here 230hp on 3m is where it needs to be to maintain a good forward speed.

Is that the lower limit for power, traction or both?
How fast do you pull it?

 

[Deutzdx3]

Talk to.any one in the game of manufacturing ag parts such as legs and points, nearly impossible to police patent or not. Once it's out there it's gone. Look at the different people manufacturing the latest sumo legs and others. Triton would tie them self's up in paperwork for year trying to police any one copying their legs, probably bankrupt them self's in the process.

 

[warksfarmer]

Is that the lower limit for power, traction or both?
How fast do you pull it?

It depends on the situation. If you are running in cultivated soils and had the seed hopper on the front of the tractor then 150hp would do it.

If your going direct and have the seed hopper on the back over the drill then you need 220hp +. BUT if your on lighter soil then you could reduce that power requirement.

Our problem is traction more than power so in an ideal world I’d buy something like a Challenger 55 or JD 8520T and leave the drill on it permanently. There’s a good Triton video of a JD R series crawler with a Triton on the back from last autumn and it’s just floating along.

As for speed the faster the better so that the closing tine pushes soil either way to cover the seeding rows either side of it. Obviously the faster you go the more soil you disturb. I tend to drill cover crops direct at 10km/hr as that gives very little disturbance if it’s dry conditions.
Anything that’s cultivated like last week I’ll drill at 14-15km/hr as traction isnt an issue.
Direct drill in November and you’ll be limited by the conditions and forward speed you can get to.

 

[Jackall]

Thanks for your honest replies on this drill. When this started by RJH a couple of years ago here There were many claims that it was the new messiah to late drilling. I’m pleased it works for you and thank you for showing us how it works for you

 

[Banana Bar]

the 19mm VOS will do anything the Triton can IME - we could drill into anything a tractor could drive through with them last year

Your not on land though that will stop a tyre packer, cover crop or not?

 

[Clive]

Your not on land though that will stop a tyre packer, cover crop or not?

i certainly am if you moved the soil