boumaticboy
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Vaccinated people are also infectiousFat ain’t infectious. Key point.
Vaccinated people are also infectiousFat ain’t infectious. Key point.
Still ain’t infectious.Leads to lots of other 'self inflicted' conditions, including higher chance of dying from covid.
It certainly looks like it is judging by the increase in lard arses over the last few yearsStill ain’t infectious.
Are you sure of those facts? I'm sure the figures @JCMaloney posts from his NHS area say differently.
So does that mean the vaccines don't give long enough protection and the earlier jabbed older people have lost their immunity? Maybe it's a wake up for us all that we need a booster?The latest UKHSA report is here:
See page 32, Table 10(a), covid deaths between weeks 44 and 47 within 28 days of a positive test.
If you add up the columns marked 'Total' and 'Unvaccinated' you arrive at 3571 total deaths, and 695 of those in unvaccinated people. Thats 19% of the covid deaths in unvaccinated people in the period in question, weeks 44 to 47 of the year, ie basically November. 2750 were double jabbed (thats 77%) and the balance is either people with one jab, or unclassified vaccination status.
Given the double jabbed population of the UK is currently around 70% that means the double jabbed are over-represented in covid deaths, at the current moment in time. This may change as booster jabs kick in. They will probably provide a short period (3 months ish) of some extra protection (but some increased risk from vaccine adverse reactions as well), but by March that will be waning and additional boosters will be required. As they will in perpetuity if the current insane way of dealing with covid continues.
And of course if the Omicron variant has evaded the spike protein antibodies to a significant degree then even the boosters may not provide much additional protection.
Yes stop with the preaching please!The vaccines are more than likely to give enough protection against serious illness .
Just have the jab if you want it
Stop with all the preaching , ye gods ,some of you must spend endless hours poring the internet for stuff to be afraid of
But preach all you want if you agree with me?The vaccines are more than likely to give enough protection against serious illness .
Just have the jab if you want it
Stop with all the preaching , ye gods ,some of you must spend endless hours poring the internet for stuff to be afraid of
In fact as an ex PTI I would introduce mandatory annual fitness test for everyone, fail the test without a bif chit and you either get benefits reduced or taxed more if you're working. Think of the benefits to the NHS with the reduction in diabetes, heart disease etc.Fat ain’t infectious. Key point.
In fact as an ex PTI I would introduce mandatory annual fitness test for everyone, fail the test without a bif chit and you either get benefits reduced or taxed more if you're working. Think of the benefits to the NHS with the reduction in diabetes, heart disease etc.
So does that mean the vaccines don't give long enough protection and the earlier jabbed older people have lost their immunity?
Maybe it's a wake up for us all that we need a booster?
Exactly right. Those who haven't had any jabs may be a small minority by now but the ranks of 'the unvaccinated' could soon swell as people get tired of repeated calls for treatment.How long are you prepared to go on taking booster shots every 6 months? Forever? Don't forget if you decide to stop at any point you become an unperson and join the ranks of the unvaccinated again.
A few signs around the hospital for patients friends and relatives would help.I'd start with the NHS. Introduce a BMI requirement for all employees, or face the sack. After all, if its OK to force people to have jabs to keep their jobs, why not a weight restriction too? Its for their own good after all
[Have you seen the size of some of the NHS staff??? A good health example they are not!]
Exactly right. Why do you think the concept of booster jabs suddenly hit the media about 3 months ago? Because by then the evidence of waning vaccine effectiveness in the elderly was blatantly obvious to anyone looking at the stats. The effect showed up entirely mirroring the age ranges people were vaccinated in. The elderly hit the wall first, and then the age ranges below slowly followed, about 4-5 months after their 2nd jab.
How long are you prepared to go on taking booster shots every 6 months? Forever? Don't forget if you decide to stop at any point you become an unperson and join the ranks of the unvaccinated again. Once you get on the vaccine train you can never get off again without becoming a social pariah. You'll only qualify for the 'goodies' if your card is fully up to date.
And don't forget the recorded health impacts of the vaccines. Taking those risks as a one off might be something you'd be happy with, but each booster shot will come with additional risks. The risk becomes cumulative, not a one off. Its like buying 100 lottery tickets vs buying 1, the more dips into the pot you have the greater your chance of 'winning'.
But the vaccine doesn't stop you encountering COVID 19. So your just giving yourself an extra chance.I'm sure enough that the last paragraph is not correct. It's not like buying a lottery ticket for one draw. It's like buying a hundred tickets for one hundred separate lottery draws - the number of draws you participate in does not affect your chance of winning an individual draw.
Either way, encountering covid 19 incurs ten times the risk of clotting than a vaccine.
Have you had the vaccine ?Exactly right. Why do you think the concept of booster jabs suddenly hit the media about 3 months ago? Because by then the evidence of waning vaccine effectiveness in the elderly was blatantly obvious to anyone looking at the stats. The effect showed up entirely mirroring the age ranges people were vaccinated in. The elderly hit the wall first, and then the age ranges below slowly followed, about 4-5 months after their 2nd jab.
How long are you prepared to go on taking booster shots every 6 months? Forever? Don't forget if you decide to stop at any point you become an unperson and join the ranks of the unvaccinated again. Once you get on the vaccine train you can never get off again without becoming a social pariah. You'll only qualify for the 'goodies' if your card is fully up to date.
And don't forget the recorded health impacts of the vaccines. Taking those risks as a one off might be something you'd be happy with, but each booster shot will come with additional risks. The risk becomes cumulative, not a one off. Its like buying 100 lottery tickets vs buying 1, the more dips into the pot you have the greater your chance of 'winning'.
The vaccine clearly and significantly, reduces the impact of Covid should you pick it up when vaccinated. An umbrella wont stop the rain, but it will keep the worst effects if you deploy it.But the vaccine doesn't stop you encountering COVID 19. So your just giving yourself an extra chance.
Surely vaccines are meant to be safe enough that you aren't having to way up risks at all. Seems the current ones are having to be defended a little too much. We should be 100% confident that going to get it isn't going to land us in a worse mess than going without