Two positively sinister things, an ocean apart...

Goweresque

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Location
North Wilts
Are you sure of those facts? I'm sure the figures @JCMaloney posts from his NHS area say differently.

The latest UKHSA report is here:


See page 32, Table 10(a), covid deaths between weeks 44 and 47 within 28 days of a positive test.
If you add up the columns marked 'Total' and 'Unvaccinated' you arrive at 3571 total deaths, and 695 of those in unvaccinated people. Thats 19% of the covid deaths in unvaccinated people in the period in question, weeks 44 to 47 of the year, ie basically November. 2750 were double jabbed (thats 77%) and the balance is either people with one jab, or unclassified vaccination status.

Given the double jabbed population of the UK is currently around 70% that means the double jabbed are over-represented in covid deaths, at the current moment in time. This may change as booster jabs kick in. They will probably provide a short period (3 months ish) of some extra protection (but some increased risk from vaccine adverse reactions as well), but by March that will be waning and additional boosters will be required. As they will in perpetuity if the current insane way of dealing with covid continues.

And of course if the Omicron variant has evaded the spike protein antibodies to a significant degree then even the boosters may not provide much additional protection.
 

Raider112

Member
The latest UKHSA report is here:


See page 32, Table 10(a), covid deaths between weeks 44 and 47 within 28 days of a positive test.
If you add up the columns marked 'Total' and 'Unvaccinated' you arrive at 3571 total deaths, and 695 of those in unvaccinated people. Thats 19% of the covid deaths in unvaccinated people in the period in question, weeks 44 to 47 of the year, ie basically November. 2750 were double jabbed (thats 77%) and the balance is either people with one jab, or unclassified vaccination status.

Given the double jabbed population of the UK is currently around 70% that means the double jabbed are over-represented in covid deaths, at the current moment in time. This may change as booster jabs kick in. They will probably provide a short period (3 months ish) of some extra protection (but some increased risk from vaccine adverse reactions as well), but by March that will be waning and additional boosters will be required. As they will in perpetuity if the current insane way of dealing with covid continues.

And of course if the Omicron variant has evaded the spike protein antibodies to a significant degree then even the boosters may not provide much additional protection.
So does that mean the vaccines don't give long enough protection and the earlier jabbed older people have lost their immunity? Maybe it's a wake up for us all that we need a booster?
I agree the Omicron could put a spanner in the works.
 

essex man

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Location
colchester
The vaccines are more than likely to give enough protection against serious illness .
Just have the jab if you want it


Stop with all the preaching , ye gods ,some of you must spend endless hours poring the internet for stuff to be afraid of
Yes stop with the preaching please!
Plus stop finding viruses to be needlessly afraid of
 

stroller

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Arable Farmer
Location
Somerset UK
Fat ain’t infectious. Key point.
In fact as an ex PTI I would introduce mandatory annual fitness test for everyone, fail the test without a bif chit and you either get benefits reduced or taxed more if you're working. Think of the benefits to the NHS with the reduction in diabetes, heart disease etc.
 

Goweresque

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Location
North Wilts
In fact as an ex PTI I would introduce mandatory annual fitness test for everyone, fail the test without a bif chit and you either get benefits reduced or taxed more if you're working. Think of the benefits to the NHS with the reduction in diabetes, heart disease etc.

I'd start with the NHS. Introduce a BMI requirement for all employees, or face the sack. After all, if its OK to force people to have jabs to keep their jobs, why not a weight restriction too? Its for their own good after all :whistle::whistle:

[Have you seen the size of some of the NHS staff??? A good health example they are not!]
 

Goweresque

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Location
North Wilts
So does that mean the vaccines don't give long enough protection and the earlier jabbed older people have lost their immunity?

Exactly right. Why do you think the concept of booster jabs suddenly hit the media about 3 months ago? Because by then the evidence of waning vaccine effectiveness in the elderly was blatantly obvious to anyone looking at the stats. The effect showed up entirely mirroring the age ranges people were vaccinated in. The elderly hit the wall first, and then the age ranges below slowly followed, about 4-5 months after their 2nd jab.

Maybe it's a wake up for us all that we need a booster?

How long are you prepared to go on taking booster shots every 6 months? Forever? Don't forget if you decide to stop at any point you become an unperson and join the ranks of the unvaccinated again. Once you get on the vaccine train you can never get off again without becoming a social pariah. You'll only qualify for the 'goodies' if your card is fully up to date.

And don't forget the recorded health impacts of the vaccines. Taking those risks as a one off might be something you'd be happy with, but each booster shot will come with additional risks. The risk becomes cumulative, not a one off. Its like buying 100 lottery tickets vs buying 1, the more dips into the pot you have the greater your chance of 'winning'.
 

stroller

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Arable Farmer
Location
Somerset UK
Sounds like the Chinese social credit system, obey all the rules and you can do as you want, but start to question the system or associate with the wrong people and expect restrictions.
 

Gong Farmer

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BASIS
Location
S E Glos
How long are you prepared to go on taking booster shots every 6 months? Forever? Don't forget if you decide to stop at any point you become an unperson and join the ranks of the unvaccinated again.
Exactly right. Those who haven't had any jabs may be a small minority by now but the ranks of 'the unvaccinated' could soon swell as people get tired of repeated calls for treatment.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
I'd start with the NHS. Introduce a BMI requirement for all employees, or face the sack. After all, if its OK to force people to have jabs to keep their jobs, why not a weight restriction too? Its for their own good after all :whistle::whistle:

[Have you seen the size of some of the NHS staff??? A good health example they are not!]
A few signs around the hospital for patients friends and relatives would help. :D
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The Agrarian

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
Exactly right. Why do you think the concept of booster jabs suddenly hit the media about 3 months ago? Because by then the evidence of waning vaccine effectiveness in the elderly was blatantly obvious to anyone looking at the stats. The effect showed up entirely mirroring the age ranges people were vaccinated in. The elderly hit the wall first, and then the age ranges below slowly followed, about 4-5 months after their 2nd jab.



How long are you prepared to go on taking booster shots every 6 months? Forever? Don't forget if you decide to stop at any point you become an unperson and join the ranks of the unvaccinated again. Once you get on the vaccine train you can never get off again without becoming a social pariah. You'll only qualify for the 'goodies' if your card is fully up to date.

And don't forget the recorded health impacts of the vaccines. Taking those risks as a one off might be something you'd be happy with, but each booster shot will come with additional risks. The risk becomes cumulative, not a one off. Its like buying 100 lottery tickets vs buying 1, the more dips into the pot you have the greater your chance of 'winning'.

I'm sure enough that the last paragraph is not correct. It's not like buying a hundred lottery tickets for one draw. It's like buying a hundred tickets for one hundred separate lottery draws - the number of draws you participate in does not affect your chance of winning an individual draw.

Either way, encountering covid 19 incurs ten times the risk of clotting than a vaccine.
 
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Mouser

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Location
near Belfast
I'm sure enough that the last paragraph is not correct. It's not like buying a lottery ticket for one draw. It's like buying a hundred tickets for one hundred separate lottery draws - the number of draws you participate in does not affect your chance of winning an individual draw.

Either way, encountering covid 19 incurs ten times the risk of clotting than a vaccine.
But the vaccine doesn't stop you encountering COVID 19. So your just giving yourself an extra chance.
 

hoff135

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Location
scotland
Surely vaccines are meant to be safe enough that you aren't having to way up risks at all. Seems the current ones are having to be defended a little too much. We should be 100% confident that going to get it isn't going to land us in a worse mess than going without
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Exactly right. Why do you think the concept of booster jabs suddenly hit the media about 3 months ago? Because by then the evidence of waning vaccine effectiveness in the elderly was blatantly obvious to anyone looking at the stats. The effect showed up entirely mirroring the age ranges people were vaccinated in. The elderly hit the wall first, and then the age ranges below slowly followed, about 4-5 months after their 2nd jab.



How long are you prepared to go on taking booster shots every 6 months? Forever? Don't forget if you decide to stop at any point you become an unperson and join the ranks of the unvaccinated again. Once you get on the vaccine train you can never get off again without becoming a social pariah. You'll only qualify for the 'goodies' if your card is fully up to date.

And don't forget the recorded health impacts of the vaccines. Taking those risks as a one off might be something you'd be happy with, but each booster shot will come with additional risks. The risk becomes cumulative, not a one off. Its like buying 100 lottery tickets vs buying 1, the more dips into the pot you have the greater your chance of 'winning'.
Have you had the vaccine ?
 

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