Two positively sinister things, an ocean apart...

[stewart]

Vaccinated people are also infectious

The effects of Covid for a vaccinated person are lower than for unvaccinated therefore a vaccinated person may not realise they have Covid and be out and about in the community spreading the virus, the unvaccinated will stay at home feeling a little poorly.
This being the case it should be the vaccinated having restrictions placed on them with the unvaccinated free to roam as they please.

 

[stewart]

The vaccine clearly and significantly, reduces the impact of Covid should you pick it up when vaccinated. An umbrella wont stop the rain, but it will keep the worst effects if you deploy it.

See post above.

 

[Mouser]

The vaccine clearly and significantly, reduces the impact of Covid should you pick it up when vaccinated. An umbrella wont stop the rain, but it will keep the worst effects if you deploy it.

No way of knowing that but even if true, severity of disease is not thought to be related to risk of clot/myocarditis/cardiac issues further down the line.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Surely vaccines are meant to be safe enough that you aren't having to way up risks at all. Seems the current ones are having to be defended a little too much. We should be 100% confident that going to get it isn't going to land us in a worse mess than going without

Nothing in life is a 100%. But you have to go on the basis that the people developing vaccines do actually know what they are doing, compared to some nutjob posting YouTube videos about 5G masts being able to control your mind once you've been vaccinated. But antivaxx movement didn't start with Covid its been going as long as there has been vaccines. It basically follows the rule; if you tend to readily believe in conspiracy theories involving the state or elites control, you are be far more likely to be vaccine-hesitant.

The psychology of the anti-vaccine movement

For people who care about vaccines, the last 18 months have been a wild ride. Never has the world watched with such anticipation the development of a vaccine, to the point where even preliminary trial results made international headlines. On one hand, you might think that this could be the...

portlandpress.com

 

[stewart]

Nothing in life is a 100%. But you have to go on the basis that the people developing vaccines do actually know what they are doing, compared to some nutjob posting YouTube videos about 5G masts being able to control your mind once you've been vaccinated. But antivaxx movement didn't start with Covid its been going as long as there has been vaccines. It basically follows the rule; if you tend to readily believe in conspiracy theories involving the state or elites control, you are be far more likely to be vaccine-hesitant.

The psychology of the anti-vaccine movement

For people who care about vaccines, the last 18 months have been a wild ride. Never has the world watched with such anticipation the development of a vaccine, to the point where even preliminary trial results made international headlines. On one hand, you might think that this could be the...

portlandpress.com

The vaccine zealots make the premise that those who are pro choice on vaccination are anti vaccers.

 

[Goweresque]

I'm sure enough that the last paragraph is not correct. It's not like buying a hundred lottery tickets for one draw. It's like buying a hundred tickets for one hundred separate lottery draws - the number of draws you participate in does not affect your chance of winning an individual draw.

Your chances of winning any one draw are the same, but over a period of time if you enter more draws (or buy more tickets for one specific draw) then your odds of winning once rise.

Imagine a draw with a 1 in 10 chance of winning. I enter this draw for 10 weeks in a row. What are my odds of not winning at all in that period (which is what we want from the covid vaccine lottery, not to win it)? The odds of not winning any given draw are 9 in 10. So to not win ever I need to be in the losing 9 tenths 10 weeks in a row, which is 9 tenths to the power of 10. Which is 0.34. So over the entire 10 week period my odds of winning once is 0.66, which is far higher than the 1 in 10 of any given entry. The longer you continue to play the greater your likelihood of winning.

So if over a period of years you have multiple vaccine shots then your chances of having an adverse reaction will rise. Especially if damage is cumulative. We just don't know (as its all experimental) if flooding your circulatory system with spike proteins damages things in minor but irreparable ways, so that shots 1 and 2 do no obvious harm but shots 3 or 4 (or 5 or 6) tip you over the edge in some way.

 

[Mr Mackay]

Your chances of winning any one draw are the same, but over a period of time if you enter more draws (or buy more tickets for one specific draw) then your odds of winning once rise.

Imagine a draw with a 1 in 10 chance of winning. I enter this draw for 10 weeks in a row. What are my odds of not winning at all in that period (which is what we want from the covid vaccine lottery, not to win it)? The odds of not winning any given draw are 9 in 10. So to not win ever I need to be in the losing 9 tenths 10 weeks in a row, which is 9 tenths to the power of 10. Which is 0.34. So over the entire 10 week period my odds of winning once is 0.66, which is far higher than the 1 in 10 of any given entry. The longer you continue to play the greater your likelihood of winning.

So if over a period of years you have multiple vaccine shots then your chances of having an adverse reaction will rise. Especially if damage is cumulative. We just don't know (as its all experimental) if flooding your circulatory system with spike proteins damages things in minor but irreparable ways, so that shots 1 and 2 do no obvious harm but shots 3 or 4 (or 5 or 6) tip you over the edge in some way.

Its a shame they cant produce the vaccine to be made to fire up the nose like IBR vaccines for Cows.
I know what my cows would prefer to have in the winter to keep the worst effects of IBR at bay - it too can be fatal

 

[primmiemoo]

Its a shame they cant produce the vaccine to be made to fire up the nose like IBR vaccines for Cows.
I know what my cows would prefer to have in the winter to keep the worst effects of IBR at bay - it too can be fatal

It probably will be. There's a flu vaccine that's administered nasally.

 

[hoff135]

Nothing in life is a 100%. But you have to go on the basis that the people developing vaccines do actually know what they are doing, compared to some nutjob posting YouTube videos about 5G masts being able to control your mind once you've been vaccinated. But antivaxx movement didn't start with Covid its been going as long as there has been vaccines. It basically follows the rule; if you tend to readily believe in conspiracy theories involving the state or elites control, you are be far more likely to be vaccine-hesitant.

The psychology of the anti-vaccine movement

For people who care about vaccines, the last 18 months have been a wild ride. Never has the world watched with such anticipation the development of a vaccine, to the point where even preliminary trial results made international headlines. On one hand, you might think that this could be the...

portlandpress.com

I'm not buying all the 5g bs. But saying your less likely to die of a heart attack from the vaccine than covid doesn't inspire much confidence. Especially as it seems concerns are just dismissed by the scientific world

 

[MRT]

Scanning across a wide spectrum of media, I see little evidence

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[Muck Spreader]

It probably will be. There's a flu vaccine that's administered nasally.

The best has got to be the old Polio vaccine on a sugar lump.

 

[Muck Spreader]

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Insurance companies around the world are starting to say they will not cover your medical bills if you end up in hospital and haven't had the Covid vaccine. So, you have a choice, go bankrupt or get vaccinated. I also see the NHS in Singapore have also said you will now be billed for your time and treatment in hospital for Covid if you haven't been vaccinated.

 

[MRT]

Insurance companies around the world are starting to say they will not cover your medical bills if you end up in hospital and haven't had the Covid vaccine. So, you have a choice, go bankrupt or get vaccinated. I also see the NHS in Singapore have also said you will now be billed for your time and treatment in hospital for Covid if you haven't been vaccinated.

Thats very interesting but not sure what it has to do with Ashtrees superhuman scanning of msm powers? Please don't interupt me when I am in the middle of annoying someone..

 

[Mr Mackay]

Insurance companies around the world are starting to say they will not cover your medical bills if you end up in hospital and haven't had the Covid vaccine. So, you have a choice, go bankrupt or get vaccinated. I also see the NHS in Singapore have also said you will now be billed for your time and treatment in hospital for Covid if you haven't been vaccinated.

Careful Now

 

[Raider112]

I'm not buying all the 5g bs. But saying your less likely to die of a heart attack from the vaccine than covid doesn't inspire much confidence. Especially as it seems concerns are just dismissed by the scientific world

I get entirely that it should be a personal choice whether or not to have the vaccine but I don't think there's any debate still to be had as to whether or not they have helped.
Look at the levels of deaths the last time we had this number of cases. It's quite a while back now that they were saying that the lives saved were into 6 figures.

 

[Goweresque]

Have you had the vaccine ?

No.

When the vaccine was rolled out I analysed the stats on the risks from covid (there's a very good covid risk calculator produced by Oxford University here: https://qcovid.org/) for people my age, physical condition and medical record, and realised that my risks from covid were vanishingly small. In my case the odds were about 1 in 66 thousand chance of dying from covid in the next 3 months. I then researched the vaccines, and realised they were an entirely new sort of vaccine, one that had never been used in humans before, and that had failed animal trials for other conditions. I thus considered the risks from the vaccine entirely unknowable, there was literally no way to know whether they would prove safe in the long run or not. A 3 month trial run by the manufacturer in an environment where everyone was desperate to get positive results did not IMO seem likely to produce a safe product. Too many incentives to turn blind eyes to things that look a bit dodgy. No-one wanting to be the person who pulled the plug on the drug that could 'save the world' (and would be very profitable of course).

So faced with a known risk of death from catching the disease and a completely unknown risk from the vaccines I made the decision that doing nothing was the best bet, wait and see what data turned up once people started taking them. And everything I have read about the vaccines since has not changed my mind, indeed its made me more set against them. The risks of harm/death from the vaccines are far greater than were initially promised, and are probably far greater than the official figures suggest. The protective effects of the vaccines are far less than promised, and as we now know fade over time, and by 6 months have virtually gone. Hence why boosters are now the next 'solution' to all our woes. And in another 6-9 months time (or less if Omicron turns out nasty) they'll be another and another, and another, ad infinitum.

I want no part of all that. I'll take my chance with the virus one on one. I am taking vitamins (D&C) to boost my immune system (nine out of ten covid deaths are in people with low vitamin D levels: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33260798/) and I eat a low carb diet to reduce my weight and likelihood of getting diabetes, both high risk factors for dying of covid. Beyond that I'll leave it in the lap of the gods. We all have to die eventually, its not optional.

 

[hoff135]

I get entirely that it should be a personal choice whether or not to have the vaccine but I don't think there's any debate still to be had as to whether or not they have helped.
Look at the levels of deaths the last time we had this number of cases. It's quite a while back now that they were saying that the lives saved were into 6 figures.

I'm not disputing that the vaccine is working. It has saved a lot of lives especially in the older age groups. But once you start looking at young adults and teenagers it's not making nearly such a big difference. In fact I believe teenage boys are more likely to suffer effects of the vaccine than covid but they are being given it for the sake of others and their education which seems a grey area.

I'm all for the vaccines but not for mandates.

 

[Mouser]

No.

When the vaccine was rolled out I analysed the stats on the risks from covid (there's a very good covid risk calculator produced by Oxford University here: https://qcovid.org/) for people my age, physical condition and medical record, and realised that my risks from covid were vanishingly small. In my case the odds were about 1 in 66 thousand chance of dying from covid in the next 3 months. I then researched the vaccines, and realised they were an entirely new sort of vaccine, one that had never been used in humans before, and that had failed animal trials for other conditions. I thus considered the risks from the vaccine entirely unknowable, there was literally no way to know whether they would prove safe in the long run or not. A 3 month trial run by the manufacturer in an environment where everyone was desperate to get positive results did not IMO seem likely to produce a safe product. Too many incentives to turn blind eyes to things that look a bit dodgy. No-one wanting to be the person who pulled the plug on the drug that could 'save the world' (and would be very profitable of course).

So faced with a known risk of death from catching the disease and a completely unknown risk from the vaccines I made the decision that doing nothing was the best bet, wait and see what data turned up once people started taking them. And everything I have read about the vaccines since has not changed my mind, indeed its made me more set against them. The risks of harm/death from the vaccines are far greater than were initially promised, and are probably far greater than the official figures suggest. The protective effects of the vaccines are far less than promised, and as we now know fade over time, and by 6 months have virtually gone. Hence why boosters are now the next 'solution' to all our woes. And in another 6-9 months time (or less if Omicron turns out nasty) they'll be another and another, and another, ad infinitum.

I want no part of all that. I'll take my chance with the virus one on one. I am taking vitamins (D&C) to boost my immune system (nine out of ten covid deaths are in people with low vitamin D levels: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33260798/) and I eat a low carb diet to reduce my weight and likelihood of getting diabetes, both high risk factors for dying of covid. Beyond that I'll leave it in the lap of the gods. We all have to die eventually, its not optional.

It's as if you're writing about me! Only thing I would add is not taking it to protect children. If everyone took it and virus still spread they would just keep going younger and younger to see if it worked.

 

[Canada Farmer]

Nothing in life is a 100%. But you have to go on the basis that the people developing vaccines do actually know what they are doing, compared to some nutjob posting YouTube videos about 5G masts being able to control your mind once you've been vaccinated. But antivaxx movement didn't start with Covid its been going as long as there has been vaccines. It basically follows the rule; if you tend to readily believe in conspiracy theories involving the state or elites control, you are be far more likely to be vaccine-hesitant.

The psychology of the anti-vaccine movement

For people who care about vaccines, the last 18 months have been a wild ride. Never has the world watched with such anticipation the development of a vaccine, to the point where even preliminary trial results made international headlines. On one hand, you might think that this could be the...

portlandpress.com

Given the trail of doubt and the fact that the experts seem to be able not able to answer one basic question would suggest that those implicated are guilty.
Where is the exact source of the Covid 19 virus and who's implicated?
And was science not implicated and which organisations are directly involved and liable.
Maybe science shouldn't be given a "free ride" given their complicit .

 

[ollie989898]

mRNA vaccines are not new and have been tested before. I may have mentioned this in the past. The idea was first conceived in the 1960s when mRNA was first 'discovered' if that is right word for it only there was no reliable way of even making mRNA much less getting any of it into a cell. It took relatively modern technology- nanotechnology, to assemble a lipid parcel that the mRNA resides within to get cells to accept entry of the mRNA.

mRNA itself is unstable- it contains uracil nucleotide bases which make it inherently unstable in the first place and there are enzymes present in every cell whose sole job is to destroy mRNA it encounters.

Regarding the presence of spike proteins, your body will be encountering these very regularly because most viruses have them. And furthermore your cells will be producing them en masse when they are infected with viruses- this is how viruses do what they do. They lack the machinery to do anything for themselves and so rely on the cellular machinery to reproduce themselves. But the body- a bit like that annoying bloke you know who has a tool for everything- already thought about this ahead of time. Evolution created a set of ways to eliminate viruses and rogue proteins which is what some components of the immune system are specially designed to do.