Two positively sinister things, an ocean apart...

[MRT]

I think we all hoped that vaccines would stop us catching it, spreading it and catching it again. I think that was all wishful thinking, we all have had numerous colds which we all know is another Corona virus, it does appear to reduce illness though, perhaps we need to hope that new treatments against it will be effective. We are never going to free of it.

Hopefully Omicron will continue to be less pathogenic, its in 38 countries and not one death yet which is remarkable as the vaccination rate is poor in some. Statistically less dangerous than water or tripping over the cat atm, long may it continue

 

[essex man]

Most of the comments previous to this post have been explaining that this type of drug has been used previously.
You make it difficult for anyone to take your posts seriously when you completely ignore such simply explained information.

Where?
Should be easy for you to tell me then

 

[ollie989898]

I think we all hoped that vaccines would stop us catching it, spreading it and catching it again. I think that was all wishful thinking, we all have had numerous colds which we all know is another Corona virus, it does appear to reduce illness though, perhaps we need to hope that new treatments against it will be effective. We are never going to free of it.

There is no practical mechanism that can prevent you contacting a virus- that part of the process is mostly mechanical in nature- either you end up with the virus contacting your mucus membranes or you don't, which means washing your hands a lot and wearing a lot of PPE (including goggles for the eyes). Since this isn't practical for most of us we just have to rely on our own immune systems. How quickly you can detect and neutralise virus particles is down to the individual and we know that a lot of people have had the virus but they showed no symptoms. It is likely that the same is true within people who have been vaccinated.

 

[robs1]

Hopefully Omicron will continue to be less pathogenic, its in 38 countries and not one death yet which is remarkable as the vaccination rate is poor in some. Statistically less dangerous than water or tripping over the cat atm, long may it continue

That is the wierd part, governments round the globe seem to have gone into panic mode over a variant that if as harmless as it currently appears could effectively control the pandemic by overwhelming the other variants.
Or is there something they know we don't

 

[essex man]

That is the wierd part, governments round the globe seem to have gone into panic mode over a variant that if as harmless as it currently appears could effectively control the pandemic by overwhelming the other variants.
Or is there something they know we don't

It's no more harmless than other variants, I had people saying the same thing to me when delta became the most prevalent variant.

 

[essex man]

Chasing around and reacting to new variants is popular, it's democracy in action

 

[primmiemoo]

Where?
Should be easy for you to tell me then

Sometimes it's difficult when what a person is being told isn't what they want to hear. There's nothing inherently wrong in being doubtful, or wanting everything to be crystal clear. Nothing at all. I've been doing what I can to keep things simple ~ which helps me, because I would never have guessed that the second decade of the 21st Century would start with a pandemic which would lead me to so much studying that isn't to do with farming.
It's all rather surreal for everyone.

 

[Raider112]

Where?
Should be easy for you to tell me then

202, 212, a few more. It's not for me to have to search them out for you just because you refuse to read or accept anything that goes against your agenda.

 

[robs1]

It's no more harmless than other variants, I had people saying the same thing to me when delta became the most prevalent variant.

Unless you have access to all the data and to data that doesnt exist yet you dont know that, no one can yet.

 

[essex man]

202, 212, a few more. It's not for me to have to search them out for you just because you refuse to read or accept anything that goes against your agenda.

Where has it been used before?

 

[essex man]

Unless you have access to all the data and to data that doesnt exist yet you dont know that, no one can yet.

So how are people saying it's harmless then ?
All covid is harmless in public health terms relative to other issues which have been ignored and cause far more problems.

 

[essex man]

202, 212, a few more. It's not for me to have to search them out for you just because you refuse to read or accept anything that goes against your agenda.

We have discussed this umpteen times, no one has ever come up with an example of a vaccination program involving mRNA vaccines because there hasn't been one

 

[Raider112]

We have discussed this umpteen times, no one has ever come up with an example of a vaccination program involving mRNA vaccines because there hasn't been one

"A never before used type of drug" your words. Now you have decided it only applies to a vaccination programme. Give it a rest, I know you enjoy being on a wind up but it gets tiresome for the rest of us.

 

[essex man]

"A never before used type of drug" your words. Now you have decided it only applies to a vaccination programme. Give it a rest, I know you enjoy being on a wind up but it gets tiresome for the rest of us.

What a vaccine used in a vaccination program???
As opposed to its other uses as a foot cream?

 

[essex man]

"A never before used type of drug" your words. Now you have decided it only applies to a vaccination programme. Give it a rest, I know you enjoy being on a wind up but it gets tiresome for the rest of us.

Ahh yes, "be quiet now" reeled out yet again as the argument falters

 

[Muck Spreader]

That is the wierd part, governments round the globe seem to have gone into panic mode over a variant that if as harmless as it currently appears could effectively control the pandemic by overwhelming the other variants.
Or is there something they know we don't

The risk is that it is more contagious rather than dangerous. And therefore has the potential to overwhelm hospital ICU's quickly if controls aren't put in place.

 

[Raider112]

What a vaccine used in a vaccination program???
As opposed to its other uses as a foot cream?

I answered that way as you never described it as a vaccine. But as you said never before used that's easy to debunk as the posts I mentioned name Ebola and rabies among others.

 

[ollie989898]

We have discussed this umpteen times, no one has ever come up with an example of a vaccination program involving mRNA vaccines because there hasn't been one

There have been mRNA vaccines before. This is fact. They have been around for a while. None had yet become a commercial reality but that had little to do with their safety. The rabies mRNA vaccines, from what I have read, just never demonstrated a high enough level of efficacy to be a viable business case.

I don't know anything about the ebola trials, though I can imagine that mRNA vaccines are about the only sort that would even be considered for that virus as it is very dangerous which is going to be a problem for live or attenuated vaccine efforts.

 

[ollie989898]

That is the wierd part, governments round the globe seem to have gone into panic mode over a variant that if as harmless as it currently appears could effectively control the pandemic by overwhelming the other variants.
Or is there something they know we don't

You have to remember that not all the countries of the world have bought vaccine in the numbers we have.

 

[Ashtree]

We have discussed this umpteen times, no one has ever come up with an example of a vaccination program involving mRNA vaccines because there hasn't been one

Nobody came up with penicillin, until well Alexander Fleming stuck his oar in. What a game changer that was. It probably would never have gotten off the ground as an antibiotic, if there had been enough Essex men about the place at the time….