Typical power/size vs. acreage?

[Fendt516profi]

A man from Liverpool asking what machinery you have on your farm

 

[Will 1594]

How many tractors in the working fleet?

Grey fergy cut orchard ,and plays in garden , 3130:restored ,might move combine header road run tractor ,its done 0000 of hours sat flat out on irrigation pump before last electric pump put in ,but just to give it arun ,old 2140:game keeper and into woods ,little jd averdex and game strips 6610:hedger ,6610 irrigator tractor ,6620 ,beet drill ,rolling ,drill game strips and spare corn cart , 6900 on sprayer permanant., 2 main 215 r do all heavy work , all gone up in value apart from last two , and pinch wifes 230 at harvest to drag compressor around ,somthey all do a bit of something , so much easier it jump off one onto another than time dropping hedge cutter or sprayer off
should we bin all the oldies off ,and replace them with 2 ,

 

[melted welly]

I saw a friend playing Farm Simulator. I asked how big his loss was and he replied that he was in profit. I then realised it was only a game.

One of my boys plays it on the iPad, drives me mad.

he wanted a timber harvester, so sold all his grain, machinery and land to buy one, cut down a shitload of trees blocking the roads and then realised he didn’t have any machinery or money left that he could use to collect the trees in order to get paid.

 

[agri knives]

might not be so good once the tax man gets his nose in to the written down values

I’ve formed a limited company and put all the machinery in as a directors loan , so I can legally take it out of the company tax free to pay me back the loan. A legal loophole , I’ve no intention of paying a heap of tax.

 

[yellow belly]

0.85hp per ha includes sp sprayer
if we had a trailed sprayer could get it down to 0.7 hp per ha

 

[Bury the Trash]

A Bigger arable farm should be a good low figure,especially with big parks.

Slightly different on a livestock or mixed farm.

Depends also on age as well I suppose , with regards to capital cost.

1.69 here but nothing fancy . Or newer than 15yrs old.

and Really should be working out weight not hp .

 

[Farmer Roy]

I think another interesting question could be, how many engine hours a year per acre ?

 

[4course]

I’ve formed a limited company and put all the machinery in as a directors loan , so I can legally take it out of the company tax free to pay me back the loan. A legal loophole , I’ve no intention of paying a heap of tax.

good and i hope it works for you

 

[Norfolk Olly]

6890hp ish across 7500 acres, annual hours range from 1400-2350 on tractors, sprayers around 1100-1300, combine around 250, beet harvester around 400, 5 loaders each clocking around 600 hrs

 

[Lincsman]

I’ve formed a limited company and put all the machinery in as a directors loan , so I can legally take it out of the company tax free to pay me back the loan. A legal loophole , I’ve no intention of paying a heap of tax.

So the company makes a massive loss of £90k when £100K of machinery is worth £10k, and pays you back the £100k... then what happens?

 

[nick...]

Got 400 hp here on 240 acres overall but about 200 arable excluding 2x20 hp kubotas but including telehandler.aroud 14000 hours between them and all going up in value.hope to add 7720/30 7820/30 next year if I can find one.
nick...

 

[agri knives]

So the company makes a massive loss of £90k when £100K of machinery is worth £10k, and pays you back the £100k... then what happens?

The company makes no loss , I’ve given a directors loan of €700 k to the company , the company pays that back to me tax free . I didn’t make the rules but that’s the way it works here.

 

[Rob5150]

500 acres (400 grass 100 maize)
Dairy farm.
160hp tractor - 4.5m mower, round baler, 5 furrow plough, 14t trailer, 4m stubble cultivator, 3m combi + front press, 12t muck spreader. Could get away with less but it’s nice to be boss of the job.
120hp and loader- 8m Tedder, twin rotor rake, bale cart with 30 ft trailer, fertiliser spreader, topper, 6m rolls, straw blower.
90hp (1982)-diet feeder.
Loadall- all yard work.
495hp total, just shy of 1hp/acre do everything myself with help from the mrs, contractor chops maize.

 

[Lincsman]

The company makes no loss , I’ve given a directors loan of €700 k to the company , the company pays that back to me tax free . I didn’t make the rules but that’s the way it works here.

Still puzzled??, you could give me the £700k and I will give you it back... its tax free to both of us... but if i bought some Fendts and lost half of it, i would be £350K down and not sure how it helped me?

 

[White rabbit]

I’m farming 160 acres and doing hire work, I am delighted to have a shed full of machinery and every year I change or buy extra machines , they all have to pay for themselves . The day I retire I will call an auction of all the machinery , if I did it today I’d have about €7-800,000 worth over what I owe on finance . Won’t be a bad payday.

Since you have deferred the tax over the years the tax man will take most of it.

 

[Spud]

I think another interesting question could be, how many engine hours a year per acre ?

About 6.3hrs/ac, just on tractors. 1.8hrs/ac on telehandlers.

 

[J 1177]

190 acres. 90bulls 145hp 4cly 600hrs 145hp 6 pot.5000hrs 100 hp 6 pot 11300hrs. 2 with loaders. That's for now but if got a little db 990 with a loader in the pipeline bit that's more a plaything.

 

[agri knives]

Since you have deferred the tax over the years the tax man will take most of it.

The directors loan comes out tax free and company tax is only 12% . So 12% is the worst case .

 

[Sid]

Doesn't it depend on how much work is done in house and how much is contracted out?

You may only have 100hp but a large contracting bill?

Total power cost per acre/litre/ton/kg of meat is more of a comparison.

365hp over 450 acres. Pit silage,raking and slurry tanking is done by contractors

 

[Drillman]

Doesn't it depend on how much work is done in house and how much is contracted out?

You may only have 100hp but a large contracting bill?

Total power cost per acre/litre/ton/kg of meat is more of a comparison.

365hp over 450 acres. Pit silage,raking and slurry tanking is done by contractors

It’s ok I’m waiting for the inevitable “well if you went to DD it would be considerably less” type comment