UK Energy Policy and Infrastructure

[nivilla1982]

Discuss

 

[Ball acre]

Doesn't look like there is a policy and the infrastructure is shrinking so err......that's it. I'll turn the lights out.

 

[Exfarmer]

Doesn't look like there is a policy and the infrastructure is shrinking so err......that's it. I'll turn the lights out.

so true, it beggars belief in the world we live in, with society so utterly dependent upon copious amounts of energy , be it Electricity, gas, etc. that this is not the number 1 issue of politics today from all main parties.
Instead the only party with any interest is seems, is the one who want us to revert to the Dark ages !

 

[robs1]

Maybe if the media got involved instead of trying to influence who should be running the country we could have a honest debate about it

 

[Muck Spreader]

so true, it beggars belief in the world we live in, with society so utterly dependent upon copious amounts of energy , be it Electricity, gas, etc. that this is not the number 1 issue of politics today from all main parties.
Instead the only party with any interest is seems, is the one who want us to revert to the Dark ages !

People will only start demanding immediate action and buying toilet rolls, when the lights won't come on and they can't charge their smart phone anymore.

 

[Henarar]

People will only start demanding immediate action and buying toilet rolls, when the lights won't come on and they can't charge their smart phone anymore.

TFF will be quiet

 

[Tarw Coch]

Maybe if the media got involved instead of trying to influence who should be running the country we could have a honest debate about it

Still got plenty of bog roll and a charger to plug in the fag lighter so I’m alright jack

 

[fudge]

Maybe if the media got involved instead of trying to influence who should be running the country we could have a honest debate about it

Honest debate with Johnson? Isn’t he the bloke peddling the “net zero” lie. I honestly believe your posts could do with proof reading.

 

[JeepJeep]

People will only start demanding immediate action and buying toilet rolls, when the lights won't come on and they can't charge their smart phone anymore.

True Story!!

The 3 of you can talk amongst yourselves....

 

[robs1]

Honest debate with Johnson? Isn’t he the bloke peddling the “net zero” lie. I honestly believe your posts could do with proof reading.

But he is only here for a while, we need some long term thinking, if Blair had taken the decision when he was in power Hinckley would be on line now plus sizewell. The discussion needs to be non political the same as the one we need over the NHS and food security.
Not sure Boris's rubbish about net zero is any different from the green parties idiot ideas on how to do anything, do labour actually have a policy or the liberals ?

 

[fudge]

There’s plenty of energy without burning fossil fuel. It will take time and money to change. How can that process start when a dishonest leader of a dishonest party subsidise fossil fuel use and call it “net zero”. You want grown up debate don’t vote Tory.

 

[robs1]

There’s plenty of energy without burning fossil fuel. It will take time and money to change. How can that process start when a dishonest leader of a dishonest party subsidise fossil fuel use and call it “net zero”. You want grown up debate don’t vote Tory.

What reliable energy that isnt fossil fuel, what is the labour policy ? You say the tories cant have a grown up debate but you ignored my points so you are as bad as they are.

 

[Ball acre]

so true, it beggars belief in the world we live in, with society so utterly dependent upon copious amounts of energy , be it Electricity, gas, etc. that this is not the number 1 issue of politics today from all main parties.
Instead the only party with any interest is seems, is the one who want us to revert to the Dark ages !

Hinkley B is being decommissioned this year. C doesn't fire up till 2026! (and that is very much an if it works kind of scenario). Which party are you talking of?

 

[ollie989898]

Tony Blair decided to switch the bulk of the country to burning natural gas to generate electricity. Quick and cheap. Dithered on energy policy and decided to sit on his hands, just like every government before and after. They have had decades to think about this.

 

[Danllan]

Discuss

Hmm, good idea for a thread. Energy isn't something there can be much of a party-political argument about the need for, only the way(s) of getting. Or so one would hope...

I don't think it sensible to remove the authority to set policy from HMG, because we always have to be able to get rid of those at which the buck stops.

However, I do think that an apolitical body - no idea what to call it, but maybe Committee Upon Nuclear Transition Strategy - of no more than five members and with staggered appointments for, say, fifteen year terms should be brought in. Very much as with the CMO and CSO, if this group's importance can be made clear to the public, it would be a very brave government of any political colour who ignored them.

As to what they'd suggest... I guess it would be something like: the immediate ordering of a lot of Small Modular Reactors; a clear statement that we need very large tidal stations; the compulsory installation of solar pv on all new buildings, and the phasing in on all other non-historical ones; expansion of wind generation, and plenty of cash thrown at research into fusion (which as of today, at last, seems to be paying off).

Sensible policies for a better UK, you know they make sense.

 

[robs1]

Hmm, good idea for a thread. Energy isn't something there can be much of a party-political argument about the need for, only the way(s) of getting. Or so one would hope...

I don't think it sensible to remove the authority to set policy from HMG, because we always have to be able to get rid of those at which the buck stops.

However, I do think that an apolitical body - no idea what to call it, but maybe Committee Upon Nuclear Transition Strategy - of no more than five members and with staggered appointments for, say, fifteen year terms should be brought in. Very much as with the CMO and CSO, if this group's importance can be made clear to the public, it would be a very brave government of any political colour who ignored them.

As to what they'd suggest... I guess it would be something like: the immediate ordering of a lot of Small Modular Reactors; a clear statement that we need very large tidal stations; the compulsory installation of solar pv on all new buildings, and the phasing in on all other non-historical ones; expansion of wind generation, and plenty of cash thrown at research into fusion (which as of today, at last, seems to be paying off).

Sensible policies for a better UK, you know they make sense.

While there is nothing to argue with that, the rspb, national trusts, cpre and every nimby in the world would delay any decision for years, we need a government that says we need new capacity and this is what we are doing,

 

[caveman]

On the infrastructure side.....
The looming problem I can see in East Sussex that needs immediate action is WATER.
thousands of houses been and are being built for the rats from London and close by, who have cashed in and moved out for profit, and no rain of any measure this winter. Reservoirs must be dropping rapidly already.

 

[Danllan]

While there is nothing to argue with that, the rspb, national trusts, cpre and every nimby in the world would delay any decision for years, we need a government that says we need new capacity and this is what we are doing,

Hence my chosen acronym.

But, joking apart, the advantage of this would be that any government could pass any recommendations into law easily because they - the gov't - would be able to say 'It's a national necessity, verified as such by an independent body, so we're doing it' and look authoritative. And no opposition would black such a bill because they wouldn't want to be seen going against the experts and would want it done during the other side's watch.

 

[robs1]

Hence my chosen acronym.

But, joking apart, the advantage of this would be that any government could pass any recommendations into law easily because they - the gov't - would be able to say 'It's a national necessity, verified as such by an independent body, so we're doing it' and look authoritative. And no opposition would black such a bill because they wouldn't want to be seen going against the experts and would want it done during the other side's watch.

Labour would be against it out of principle and the libs would need five years to think about it as for the greens they would back the solar and wind then moan when the lights go out during a winter high pressure.
Not that I'm a cynic mind

 

[Exfarmer]

Hence my chosen acronym.

But, joking apart, the advantage of this would be that any government could pass any recommendations into law easily because they - the gov't - would be able to say 'It's a national necessity, verified as such by an independent body, so we're doing it' and look authoritative. And no opposition would black such a bill because they wouldn't want to be seen going against the experts and would want it done during the other side's watch.

You cunning plan will fall at the first hurdle I am afraid, since you can be certain that any government, certainly this one, will pack such a committee with green lobbyists, who will ensure that any sensible proposal will never reach the public’s ears.