UK Farm Support......THE POLL!!

[Nithsdale]

NZ imports next to nothing. But gets away with shovelling 80+% of its production onto the world market, they should be stopped and held to account

Sorry but This is the single most ridiculous comment I've read in all my time on this forum.

 

[hendrebc]

Anyone else want to vote to see the results but think that both options are wrong so cant vote for either

 

[Doc]

Dear @Bossfarmer,
These threads are like the Brexit threads. They keep popping up in various guises and continue in the same circular fashion.
My opinion is that the perpetual moaning/bleating about subs does farming and agriculture more harm than just about anything else. There will always be farming, subs or no subs as there will always be people who will find, create and manage opportunity.
A few general points:

Every industry is subject to rule and regulations. Quite a few are more burdensome than in farming.
There is not necessarily a correlation between welfare and regulation.
Food is not in short supply globally and often food product is superior and produced cheaper from abroad due to more favourable growing conditions. The UK will always be able to secure food by importation, like so many other ‘vital’ things produced abroad. It has been said that logistics feeds people not farmers.
Everyone will have their favourites but basically public services include health, law and protection of property and citizen. Farming is not a public service.
National parks are state funded ways of preserving the country side and natural environment. If there is a public demand or desire for farmland to be included then any input in management should attract a payment but for this only and not food production as one could be seen as a public service but not the other. The land also then becomes subject to restriction of use to suit the publics interest in it. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
Land value is largely disconnected from productive value in the UK.
No one is entitled to open and run a private enterprise and expect it to be propped up by the tax payer just to make it viable.
There are welfare benefits available to those who genuinely need them. If a Farm can’t support its workforce, family or not, the workforce need to find alternative employment, if they are incapable of this then they can apply for benefits as anyone else.

I am a small scale farmer and owner of another non farming business. My other business is facing massive change and upheaval. I have grown up on a family farm. I am pro farming, love the industry and it’s lifestyle. Farming will continue in the UK but the participants may change. Speak to any high street retailer, change for them has been far more brutal than anything farming has faced yet.
Start planning.

 

[Nithsdale]

It's not a question of whether we should or should not continue to receieve Subsidies...

The question is if/when subs go, would we expect the govt to continue encouraging us to produce food.

NZ may have gotten rid of farm subs, but the govt still values it's farmers by protecting and backing them to produce food to feed the nation AND export as a tradable commodity. Ours is blinkered to believe no subs means we are left to get on with it, without domestic market/industry protection.

 

[John100]

Sorry but This is the single most ridiculous comment I've read in all my time on this forum.

Scottish lamb here has a warning sticker, its like this blue flag with white lines across it

 

[Farmer Roy]

Dear @Bossfarmer,
These threads are like the Brexit threads. They keep popping up in various guises and continue in the same circular fashion.
My opinion is that the perpetual moaning/bleating about subs does farming and agriculture more harm than just about anything else. There will always be farming, subs or no subs as there will always be people who will find, create and manage opportunity.
A few general points:

Every industry is subject to rule and regulations. Quite a few are more burdensome than in farming.
There is not necessarily a correlation between welfare and regulation.
Food is not in short supply globally and often food product is superior and produced cheaper from abroad due to more favourable growing conditions. The UK will always be able to secure food by importation, like so many other ‘vital’ things produced abroad. It has been said that logistics feeds people not farmers.
Everyone will have their favourites but basically public services include health, law and protection of property and citizen. Farming is not a public service.
National parks are state funded ways of preserving the country side and natural environment. If there is a public demand or desire for farmland to be included then any input in management should attract a payment but for this only and not food production as one could be seen as a public service but not the other. The land also then becomes subject to restriction of use to suit the publics interest in it. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
Land value is largely disconnected from productive value in the UK.
No one is entitled to open and run a private enterprise and expect it to be propped up by the tax payer just to make it viable.
There are welfare benefits available to those who genuinely need them. If a Farm can’t support its workforce, family or not, the workforce need to find alternative employment, if they are incapable of this then they can apply for benefits as anyone else.

I am a small scale farmer and owner of another non farming business. My other business is facing massive change and upheaval. I have grown up on a family farm. I am pro farming, love the industry and it’s lifestyle. Farming will continue in the UK but the participants may change. Speak to any high street retailer, change for them has been far more brutal than anything farming has faced yet.
Start planning.

probably the most sensible thing anyone has written on the subject on TFF
discussion over, nothing more to be said

 

[Nithsdale]

Scottish lamb here has a warning sticker, its like this blue flag with white lines across it

That sticker means the lamb is free of human DNA and lived a life free of being sexually molested

 

[hendrebc]

That sticker means the lamb is free of human DNA and lived a life free of being sexually molested

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I don't feel I can vote for either option nut would be interested in knowing the current result from anyone that does.
I'm not going to bang my head against a wall anymore, I'll just follow whichever direction I'm pushed. I can produce quality food, wildlife havens or dog walking parks. Just gotta follow the money rather than a dream.
I think the worst form of support will be what we have seen recently with dairy farming. A future where 95% of production is in the hands of large industrial producers who get bailed out whenever the market dips a bit. They don't seem to do that for the pig men though....
I think it is inevitable that agriculture will go through the digital revolution in the next couple decades. It may be better for the whole of agriculture if it goes through this process subject to market forces rather political intervention.

 

[Ukjay]

For me - I cannot answer this rediculously set out Poll, however for full transparency:

- I am not keen to support a business that cannot support itself and assumes it has a god given right to funding, but I will support a business if the actual business gets the money directly and is able to benefit and prosper from it.

Additionally - there appear to be too many people endoctrinated and blinkered from taking the subs into the business model, that they are blinded by the fact their business model is unsustainable.
This is the harsh reality here, whereby certain farms need to either change or remove themselves from the supply chain if they are solely reliant upon subs to stay afloat, as it is evident this business model cannot survive.

I would lose my home if I cannot continue to pay the mortgage - but a lot of farms still keep their homes and live a reasonable life on the back of government funds and never see a disconnect

 

[exmoor dave]

That sticker means the lamb is free of human DNA and lived a life free of being sexually molested

 

[Bossfarmer]

Anyone else want to vote to see the results but think that both options are wrong so cant vote for either

theres only 2 realistic options produce with support or import i had a third option of put prices up but imports from other supported countries like irish beef would undercut uk farmers

 

[Bossfarmer]

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Dear @Bossfarmer,
These threads are like the Brexit threads. They keep popping up in various guises and continue in the same circular fashion.
My opinion is that the perpetual moaning/bleating about subs does farming and agriculture more harm than just about anything else. There will always be farming, subs or no subs as there will always be people who will find, create and manage opportunity.
A few general points:

Every industry is subject to rule and regulations. Quite a few are more burdensome than in farming.
There is not necessarily a correlation between welfare and regulation.
Food is not in short supply globally and often food product is superior and produced cheaper from abroad due to more favourable growing conditions. The UK will always be able to secure food by importation, like so many other ‘vital’ things produced abroad. It has been said that logistics feeds people not farmers.
Everyone will have their favourites but basically public services include health, law and protection of property and citizen. Farming is not a public service.
National parks are state funded ways of preserving the country side and natural environment. If there is a public demand or desire for farmland to be included then any input in management should attract a payment but for this only and not food production as one could be seen as a public service but not the other. The land also then becomes subject to restriction of use to suit the publics interest in it. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
Land value is largely disconnected from productive value in the UK.
No one is entitled to open and run a private enterprise and expect it to be propped up by the tax payer just to make it viable.
There are welfare benefits available to those who genuinely need them. If a Farm can’t support its workforce, family or not, the workforce need to find alternative employment, if they are incapable of this then they can apply for benefits as anyone else.

I am a small scale farmer and owner of another non farming business. My other business is facing massive change and upheaval. I have grown up on a family farm. I am pro farming, love the industry and it’s lifestyle. Farming will continue in the UK but the participants may change. Speak to any high street retailer, change for them has been far more brutal than anything farming has faced yet.
Start planning.

is such an important issue not worthy of discussion?

Food is not in short supply globally and often food product is superior and produced cheaper from abroad due to more favourable growing conditions.??
The UK will always be able to secure food by importation, like so many other ‘vital’ things produced abroad??

have you not seen the world crop reports?? why are prices rising?? another year like this and we have a real problem with china controlling so much of the stocks, we could have a few years like this in the near future and as demand continues to increase we will see some serious volatility

 

[Bossfarmer]

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It's not a question of whether we should or should not continue to receieve Subsidies...

The question is if/when subs go, would we expect the govt to continue encouraging us to produce food.

NZ may have gotten rid of farm subs, but the govt still values it's farmers by protecting and backing them to produce food to feed the nation AND export as a tradable commodity. Ours is blinkered to believe no subs means we are left to get on with it, without domestic market/industry protection.

99% of pro NZ style farming conveniently forget what happened to the NZ dollar once subs went and the extent to which that helped the farmers

That will not happen here!

 

[CornishTone]

is

is such an important issue not worthy of discussion?

Of course it is. But is it necessary to replicate the same discussion, almost word for word, on a weekly basis?? Perhaps there are other subjects worthy of your... unique level of persistence?

 

[Bossfarmer]

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For me - I cannot answer this rediculously set out Poll, however for full transparency:

- I am not keen to support a business that cannot support itself and assumes it has a god given right to funding, but I will support a business if the actual business gets the money directly and is able to benefit and prosper from it.

Additionally - there appear to be too many people endoctrinated and blinkered from taking the subs into the business model, that they are blinded by the fact their business model is unsustainable.
This is the harsh reality here, whereby certain farms need to either change or remove themselves from the supply chain if they are solely reliant upon subs to stay afloat, as it is evident this business model cannot survive.

I would lose my home if I cannot continue to pay the mortgage - but a lot of farms still keep their homes and live a reasonable life on the back of government funds and never see a disconnect

- I am not keen to support a business that cannot support itself and assumes it has a god given right to funding, but I will support a business if the actual business gets the money directly and is able to benefit and prosper from it.

very noble of you i must say but i must point out that your competitors across the world are less naive and understand that while there is pressure on elected governments for cheap food which is expensive to produce no other magical alternative exists!

 

[Bossfarmer]

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Of course it is. But is it necessary to replicate the same discussion, almost word for word, on a weekly basis?? Perhaps there are other subjects worthy of your... unique level of persistence?

is it necessary for someone from the other side of the world with different costs/prices/scale/crops and weather to continually undermine UK farmers?

 

[John100]

Im a globalist, in so far as I think Wales should be a imperialist empire and take over the world

 

[exmoor dave]

Bossfarmer if you remember I suggested (repeatedly) that if you really care about keeping subs, you should take the time and effort to write to your MP and MSP to express your concerns.......

So what reply did you get from your MP & MSP?


Or do you not actually care enough to actually do anything beyond whining like a little squealing piglet on a farming forum?

 

[Bossfarmer]

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Bossfarmer if you remember I suggested (repeatedly) that if you really care about keeping subs, you should take the time and effort to write to your MP and MSP to express your concerns.......

So what reply did you get from your MP & MSP?


Or do you not actually care enough to actually do anything beyond whining like a little squealing piglet on a farming forum?

im merely discussing my opinion on a forum, i have no power to change the governments law but have expressed my view recently as a member of the audiance with a panel at the highland show