UK Farm Support......THE POLL!!

[CornishTone]

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is it necessary for someone from the other side of the world with different costs/prices/scale/crops and weather to continually undermine UK farmers?

It’s called business.
You should try it some time.

And our weather isn’t undermining anyone but our own farmers at the moment, I can assure you, yet they don’t have a safety blanket to fall back on.

 

[Nithsdale]

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99% of pro NZ style farming conveniently forget what happened to the NZ dollar once subs went and the extent to which that helped the farmers

That will not happen here!

Congratulations on learning how to use larger font and putting it in bold.

The loss of subs will not have any affect on the £, but exiting the EU will. The £ is wobbling (and lost a lot of value since the vote) and we haven't even left yet. So, IMO, you're wrong to say currency value change won't happen here.

 

[Bossfarmer]

so your jealo

It’s called business.
You should try it some time.

And our weather isn’t undermining anyone but our own farmers at the moment, I can assure you, yet they don’t have a safety blanket to fall back on.

so at last we learn your motivation for these posts, jealousy/no safety blanket to fall back on.....tell me why wold UK farmers wish to see a support against such conditions removed?

 

[Fossil]

Whether farm support is a good compromise for both the farmer and public comes down to what alternative is there for producing good quality traceable food and maintaining a sensible level of domestic production which does not expose the UK to exploitation by other countries in times of shortage/trade wars/disease out breaks/war?? would the public be better just paying the true cost of production?? (including all currently unpaid family labour hours on many uk farms at correct pay plus overtime) This would inevitably lead to cheaper imports from other countries who support their own farmers and have poorer welfare/big scale

given that the sub comes from the general publics tax and that the richest and huge companies pay almost all of the tax in the UK are poorer people actually benefitting the most from a vast supply of cheap locally produced food and a much reduced weekly shopping bill?

Do you mean the cost of production to grow any given commodity in the most appropriate place, or the cost of production to grow it somewhere climatically unsuitable for that commodity?

 

[Bossfarmer]

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Congratulations on learning how to use larger font and putting it in bold.

The loss of subs will not have any affect on the £, but exiting the EU will. The £ is wobbling (and lost a lot of value since the vote) and we haven't even left yet. So, IMO, you're wrong to say currency value change won't happen here.

im correct because it wont happen to anywhere near the same extent the UK will always have a strong currency in comparison to NZ

 

[exmoor dave]

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im merely discussing my opinion on a forum, i have no power to change the governments law but have expressed my view recently as a member of the audiance with a panel at the highland show

So that's a no then...... oh what surprise

Absolutely nothing to stop you writing to your MP & MSP...... well apart from your own attitude

If you have time to post on here you have time to email your MP/MSP

 

[CornishTone]

so your jealo

so at last we learn your motivation for these posts, jealousy/no safety blanket to fall back on.....tell me why wold UK farmers wish to see a support against such conditions removed?

“Jealo”?! That’s got to be the most grown up post you’ve made yet!

I’m sure many wouldn’t, but the fact that you apparently can’t compete with a drought ravaged, colonial backwater 12,500 miles away says more about your ability to farm than it does about their, or my, level of jealousy.

 

[Nithsdale]

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im correct because it wont happen to anywhere near the same extent the UK will always have a strong currency in comparison to NZ

So you've already changed from

Will not happen!!!

To actually, it will happen... but not so much.

 

[Bossfarmer]

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“Jealo”?! That’s got to be the most grown up post you’ve made yet!

I’m sure many wouldn’t, but the fact that you apparently can’t compete with a drought ravaged, colonial backwater 12,500 miles away says more about your ability to farm than it does about their, or my, level of jealousy.

resorting to spelling mistakes...says it all, you have your opinion but its extremely biased in this argument you are afterall our competitors so unfortunately discounted

 

[Farfrae]

Dear @Bossfarmer,
These threads are like the Brexit threads. They keep popping up in various guises and continue in the same circular fashion.
My opinion is that the perpetual moaning/bleating about subs does farming and agriculture more harm than just about anything else. There will always be farming, subs or no subs as there will always be people who will find, create and manage opportunity.
A few general points:

Every industry is subject to rule and regulations. Quite a few are more burdensome than in farming.
There is not necessarily a correlation between welfare and regulation.
Food is not in short supply globally and often food product is superior and produced cheaper from abroad due to more favourable growing conditions. The UK will always be able to secure food by importation, like so many other ‘vital’ things produced abroad. It has been said that logistics feeds people not farmers.
Everyone will have their favourites but basically public services include health, law and protection of property and citizen. Farming is not a public service.
National parks are state funded ways of preserving the country side and natural environment. If there is a public demand or desire for farmland to be included then any input in management should attract a payment but for this only and not food production as one could be seen as a public service but not the other. The land also then becomes subject to restriction of use to suit the publics interest in it. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
Land value is largely disconnected from productive value in the UK.
No one is entitled to open and run a private enterprise and expect it to be propped up by the tax payer just to make it viable.
There are welfare benefits available to those who genuinely need them. If a Farm can’t support its workforce, family or not, the workforce need to find alternative employment, if they are incapable of this then they can apply for benefits as anyone else.

I am a small scale farmer and owner of another non farming business. My other business is facing massive change and upheaval. I have grown up on a family farm. I am pro farming, love the industry and it’s lifestyle. Farming will continue in the UK but the participants may change. Speak to any high street retailer, change for them has been far more brutal than anything farming has faced yet.
Start planning.

A voice of sanity in the madhouse.

 

[CornishTone]

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resorting to spelling mistakes...says it all, you have your opinion but its extremely biased in this argument you are afterall our competitors so unfortunately discounted

And of course, you’re totally impartial?!

Perhaps you should take some time to listen to your “competitors” instead of “unfortunately” discounting them. You might learn something!

 

[Ukjay]

very noble of you i must say but i must point out that your competitors across the world are less naive and understand that while there is pressure on elected governments for cheap food which is expensive to produce no other magical alternative exists!

I can assure you that it's got f**k all to do with being noble - simple business ethics of treating local businesses who actually know how to operate and run without demanding a safety net, and produce quality items!!

To be clear - I like many others in this country, have to pay my own way, I have to pay all my bills etc without the government paying my bloody mortgage etc - so why sould I support so called businesses, that are incapable of surviving outside of the free money - when there are many others that need the input to help them develop their systems further.

Will you as a farmer pay my lifestyle when I spend more than I earn - no you bloody well wouldnt, so I view it the same here!

As for competitors over the pond, well if they can produce a quality item cheaper - good for them. Learn from them instead of bleating on about wo is me crap. Business is hard the world over - so get a grip of yourself and shake yourself, because you sound as thou you want the system to protect you from competition.

People on the whole want things cheap - look at what you buy every day. You look to save money on everything - so why is this not accepted the world over.

Oh and for the record - I do not agree with the benefit system either

 

[Ukjay]

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is it necessary for someone from the other side of the world with different costs/prices/scale/crops and weather to continually undermine UK farmers?

It is not necessary - it is called a global market. How many people buy thinks of ebay because they can get it cheaper over the pond - you see, it is not just farming that has competition

 

[Ukjay]

@Bossfarmer

Do you get free NHS prescriptions in Scotland?

 

[unlacedgecko]

Multi millionaire runs unprofitable and unsustainable business, but expects the tax payer to keep him in a life style he enjoys, while simultaneously allowing him to expand said business.

Apply that to any industry other than farming and see how ridiculous it sounds...

 

[Nithsdale]

@Bossfarmer

Do you get free NHS prescriptions in Scotland?

That example is flawed because It's paid for, by us who live up here

 

[Ukjay]

That example is flawed because It's paid for, by us who live up here

Excuse me - we pay the same in taxes and we have to pay - so it is not flawed.

I am using it as an example of how funding can be manipulated!!

 

[Henarar]

Good thread Boss
and of Corse they should

 

[Nithsdale]

Excuse me - we pay the same in taxes and we have to pay - so it is not flawed.

I am using it as an example of how funding can be manipulated!!

I thought you were venturing down a different road there

 

[Fossil]

The retail sector is dying on its feet because it can’t compete with the internet whilst paying huge business rates. Tens of thousands of low paid workers are losing there jobs. Are you losing any sleep for them Boss Farmer? Or calling for subsidies to keep them in business?