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teslacoils

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Location
Lincolnshire
They were told years ago. I remember the excitement about GM tomato paste. In reality, a non story. Ask the man on the street if they would use gm or similar to prevent their child ending up with some horrific disease and they'd all do it no question.
 

CORK

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BTD once told me there is no GM wheat commercialised anywhere in the world. I believe this is still the case.
Most likely because it can be farm saved and not enough payback can be got for the technology.
One of the reasons why maize (hybrid) yields have improved vastly more than wheat yields in North America.
 

farmerfred86

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BASIS
Location
Suffolk
Most likely because it can be farm saved and not enough payback can be got for the technology.
One of the reasons why maize (hybrid) yields have improved vastly more than wheat yields in North America.
He said... and he would know after a nuffield study.... that it was just too unsafe and couldn't be controlled or used reliably.

I visited America on a Camgrain trip once and saw Kernza wheat that was very impressive but not ready for market
 

CORK

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He said... and he would know after a nuffield study.... that it was just too unsafe and couldn't be controlled or used reliably.

I visited America on a Camgrain trip once and saw Kernza wheat that was very impressive but not ready for market
I wonder what could be unsafe about it?
 

alomy75

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rape with flea beetle resistance pod shatter gene and roundup resistance would reduce incecticide use to nil eliminate 3 residual herbicides and reduce glyphosate use in my rotation (no need for descicant at harvest )
That’s good you don’t need a desiccant because if you did there would be none available to you with your roundup ready rape…it’s not all plain sailing-states have had roundup ready crops for years and now have roundup ready weeds. Then what… Personally I’m all for GM or GE but not if it means putting the only herbicide we really need at risk
 

Bruce Almighty

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Mixed Farmer
Location
England
That’s good you don’t need a desiccant because if you did there would be none available to you with your roundup ready rape…it’s not all plain sailing-states have had roundup ready crops for years and now have roundup ready weeds. Then what… Personally I’m all for GM or GE but not if it means putting the only herbicide we really need at risk
Can you give me an example of what Round Up ready weeds we could suffer from ?
Blackgrass - we could still use our current graminicides in a rape or bean crop
Cleavers - we could still use Starane etc in cereal crops

The only problem I see is couch, but thanks to Round Up, isn't about like it used to be.
 

alomy75

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Can you give me an example of what Round Up ready weeds we could suffer from ?
Blackgrass - we could still use our current graminicides in a rape or bean crop
Cleavers - we could still use Starane etc in cereal crops

The only problem I see is couch, but thanks to Round Up, isn't about like it used to be.
The US reference was specifically concerned with problems in sugar beet to be fair but there’s no reason any of our problem weeds couldn’t become resistant to Glyphosate; not to mention crops as volunteers in other crops. Agreed there are other options for selective weed control at the moment but we are losing actives faster than we are gaining them, with Glyphosate being one of them with a dubious future.
 

Bruce Almighty

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Mixed Farmer
Location
England
The US reference was specifically concerned with problems in sugar beet to be fair but there’s no reason any of our problem weeds couldn’t become resistant to Glyphosate; not to mention crops as volunteers in other crops. Agreed there are other options for selective weed control at the moment but we are losing actives faster than we are gaining them, with Glyphosate being one of them with a dubious future.
That's why the "Frankenstein Foods" story has never worried me, you just revert to normal chemistry
 

Flatlander

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
Can you give me an example of what Round Up ready weeds we could suffer from ?
Blackgrass - we could still use our current graminicides in a rape or bean crop
Cleavers - we could still use Starane etc in cereal crops

The only problem I see is couch, but thanks to Round Up, isn't about like it used to be.
If you grow round up tolerant rape the rape it’s self will become your weed. I grew if once when it was first available which was nearly twenty years ago. Still have it popping up and often in fields that it wasn’t grown in. i grow RU soybeans and OSR thats from that one god forsaken year manages to survive 1 litre per acre twice in crop. Plenty of options in pre seed burn down to control it but still added cost.
 

Bruce Almighty

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Mixed Farmer
Location
England
If you grow round up tolerant rape the rape it’s self will become your weed. I grew if once when it was first available which was nearly twenty years ago. Still have it popping up and often in fields that it wasn’t grown in. i grow RU soybeans and OSR thats from that one god forsaken year manages to survive 1 litre per acre twice in crop. Plenty of options in pre seed burn down to control it but still added cost.
But if I grew a cereal, surely a sniff of CMPP would do it in cereals.

Would the RU resistant rape be any more of a nuisance than any other non GM volunteer rape

It's good to hear experiences of GM
 

Flatlander

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
But if I grew a cereal, surely a sniff of CMPP would do it in cereals.

Would the RU resistant rape be any more of a nuisance than any other non GM volunteer rape

It's good to hear experiences of GM
Problem is I grow other ru ready crops. My rotation is wheat OSR oats soybeans. If the OSR was ru ready then the ru beans are the issue. I use a liberty tolerant OSR which are higher yielding too. Better genetic fir stress tolerance and have a pod shatter gene too. That’s worth a lot here with the wacky weather we get.
 
Problem is I grow other ru ready crops. My rotation is wheat OSR oats soybeans. If the OSR was ru ready then the ru beans are the issue. I use a liberty tolerant OSR which are higher yielding too. Better genetic fir stress tolerance and have a pod shatter gene too. That’s worth a lot here with the wacky weather we get.
in the uk the only likly gm crop is osr or sugar beet
wheat beans barley linseed not likely to be gmed

so round up ready osr would be at a low risk of building up roundup resistant weeds campared tot eh north american system that has roundup ready beans maize sugar beet and osr

one thing we have all learnt from resistance is to rotate chemistry crops planting seasons and cultivations

round up ready rape would be maximum 1 in 4 or most likely 1 in 6 years
to protect it i would also reduce roundup use inbetween crops

we got resistance from 10 years use in ipu 3in 4 years
topic /fusilade every year inless than 6 years
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
My biggest issue with GM and GE is the contract we would likely to have to sign to use the seeds are likely to be pretty draconian in favour of the holders of the IP for the crop.
It is also my opinion that the only reason glyphosate is currently under so much scrutiny is solely because of Roundup Ready GM crops.
GM and GE is likely to remove complexity and skill from growing crops, but also the potential reward.
 

Charles Quick

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BASE UK Member
Location
Somerset
My biggest issue with GM and GE is the contract we would likely to have to sign to use the seeds are likely to be pretty draconian in favour of the holders of the IP for the crop.

Quite. Slippery slope toward being sold the license to the crop as part of an 'agronomy pack', eventually reducing the farmer to little more than vehicle operator, with the real control in corporate hands.
I believe GE/GM is a very powerful tool and am excited by it. I studied the technology extensively and have even made a transgenic organism myself in the lab. But I worry that its potential is being exercised as a grab for control by the seed houses, rather than as a tool for the common good to fix real problems (e.g. roundup ready vs. drought tolerance).

I'll be growing non-GM for a while yet.
 

Flatlander

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
Seed companies already have a major chunk of the world by the short and curlys. any GM crop has a technology agreement signed before you can take delivery of the seed. Its a one off agree that cover any seed with the RU trait. GM crops have been the blessing in some respects They have made weed control easier and given another chemical group to use in crop to relieve resistance pressure on many other groups. When I first came to Canada my farm was a couch mat. I battled for a few years with pre harvest and autumn applications. Until soybeans gave me the incrop RU window, that was the end of couch. Two applications during times of good growth with a competing crop was the silver bullet. Will it continue to be the go to crop to clean up a field? I don’t think so but for now it’s saving me a pile in chemicals and time. OSR has other traits added besides herbicides resistance, the latest major advance was an anti pod shatter gene. Personally had a crop ready to cut and 30 degrees with winds enough to blow you over and not a single pod lost or split open.
 

Boysground

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
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Not the best photo, this is where Bg Junior is working. The tall plants are volunteer gm maize in a gm soya crop.

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