UK tractor sales 2019

[Iron150]

Why would you take them out?

I think a lot of John Deere dealers run huge hire fleets and these tractors all get added into the sales figures.if these tractors were taken out of the tractors sold to farmers the numbers would be a lot differant.
nick...

 

[kill]

I think a lot of John Deere dealers run huge hire fleets and these tractors all get added into the sales figures.if these tractors were taken out of the tractors sold to farmers the numbers would be a lot differant.
nick...

New Holland ,Case , Massey Ferguson, Claas , Valtra etc all do the same as it helps them reach sales targets and also gives them a wider choice of available tractors for resale.

 

[Robt]

So how does it work with tractors thats on hire deals? If thier hired do they get counted once they leave the dealers yard or once they come back and are sold on?

All the main maunfactures give their monthly and area sales figures to the AEA. So if Bob hire /dealer has a hire fleet. The sales go to his area and as soon as they are invoiced from JD to him .

 

[fieldfarmer]

I think a lot of John Deere dealers run huge hire fleets and these tractors all get added into the sales figures.if these tractors were taken out of the tractors sold to farmers the numbers would be a lot differant.
nick...

But they would be sold to the dealer, all be it on good terms, then sold on to farmer/ contractors at a year old, so they were still manufactured / sold so why wouldn't they count.

 

[nick...]

But they would be sold to the dealer, all be it on good terms, then sold on to farmer/ contractors at a year old, so they were still manufactured / sold so why wouldn't they count.

I realise they all count but how many new tractors get sold direct to farmers and not second hand at a year old as ex hire.
nick...

 

[Robt]

at a guess Nick, id say approx 5% of the figures for each manufacture are pure hire.

 

[Sid]

at a guess Nick, id say approx 5% of the figures for each manufacture are pure hire.

Even Zetor

 

[Clive]

Would you swap the fendt in for one?

if it made sound business sense yes, i run a business not a tractor collection, I have run pretty much every brand there is over the last 20 years and have no loyalty to any

they don't currently make anything big enough for our use but when they do it will get serious consideration and if the cost of ownership / reliability / back up equation is right then why wouldn't i change ?

 

[Fendt516profi]

if it made sound business sense yes, i run a business not a tractor collection, I have run pretty much every brand there is over the last 20 years and have no loyalty to any

they don't currently make anything big enough for our use but when they do it will get serious consideration and if the cost of ownership / reliability / back up equation is right then why wouldn't i change ?

So how come you don't run the super reliable cost nothing to run valtras?

 

[Clive]

So how come you don't run the super reliable cost nothing to run valtras?

I looked at them last change, they seem a decent option indeed, So Far the Fendts are proving incredibly cheap to own / run - a big part of that coming form their very low depreciation rates, Valtra looked no better on paper, cheaper to buy doesn't always mean cheaper to own and its ownership cost I prioritise

if something can beat that cost whilst being as reliable and offering the same levels of performance I will change brands in a blink, I have done just that several times in the past, having run NH> JD>JCB>Mcormack>Case>Claas>Cat and now Fendt

I don't sadly even get to drive tractors myself much these days so really do not care what colour they are

 

[warksfarmer]

Kubota .......

how many years before they top that chart then ?

5-6 years I reckon. Although having just had a price on one, if they keep pushing prices up it’ll take them longer. They need to be cheaper because simply put they aren’t as good as the rest. However at the right price you can’t beat them.

 

[warksfarmer]

They're going to have to join the 170hp+ world if they want to do any good.
Their range of bigger tractors isn't available in Europe as far as I know.
I think their success will depend on whether they are desirable on the second hand market. They will need to be reliable beyond the initial warranty, have good parts availability and be easy to work on.

They have with a tie up with versatile, unless that’s now not happening?

 

[Clive]

5-6 years I reckon. Although having just had a price on one, if they keep pushing prices up it’ll take them longer. They need to be cheaper because simply put they aren’t as good as the rest. However at the right price you can’t beat them.

don't care if they are expensive to buy or cheap - all that matter is to me is the difference between what I pay for it and what I sell it for plus how reliable / good performance it gives through the years I own it

I can't see them being a brand that retains high resale so they probably do need to sit in the low capital cost part of the market to stack up I guess

 

[thesilentone]

Can't see the market positions changing much for the foreseeable future, other than a % here and there when someone brings out a model in the top three with bells and knobs on.

80% of the market is dominated by three companies.

Interesting that JD and CNH have lost 6% market share between them, I suppose certainly in JD's case (2%) that will be due to the dealer shenanigans, but how have CNH lost 4% ?

 

[warksfarmer]

Can't see the market positions changing much for the foreseeable future, other than a % here and there when someone brings out a model in the top three with bells and knobs on.

80% of the market is dominated by three companies.

Interesting that JD and CNH have lost 6% market share between them, I suppose certainly in JD's case (2%) that will be due to the dealer shenanigans, but how have CNH lost 4% ?

They’ve both lost shares because of prices in my view. Simple as that they are to expensive for what your getting. £120,000 - £150,000 after discount for 220-240hp tractors on farm depending on brand.

So many are not trading in and keeping tractors whilst buying used to increase the numbers on farm. Can’t see us trading anything in again. We’ll keep them and retire them to lower hours. By keeping you completely remove yourself from the depreciation argument in terms of ‘price to change’. You then buy in more used tractors as and when cashflow allows and increase the number on farm.

 

[thesilentone]

They’ve both lost shares because of prices in my view. Simple as that they are to expensive for what your getting. £120,000 - £150,000 after discount for 220-240hp tractors on farm depending on brand.

So many are not trading in and keeping tractors whilst buying used to increase the numbers on farm. Can’t see us trading anything in again. We’ll keep them and retire them to lower hours. By keeping you completely remove yourself from the depreciation argument in terms of ‘price to change’. You then buy in more used tractors as and when cashflow allows and increase the number on farm.

Yes, but some depreciation is good for the balance sheet.

 

[db9go]

Yes, but some depreciation is good for the balance sheet.

Only if you make profit

 

[icanshootwell]

if it made sound business sense yes, i run a business not a tractor collection, I have run pretty much every brand there is over the last 20 years and have no loyalty to any

they don't currently make anything big enough for our use but when they do it will get serious consideration and if the cost of ownership / reliability / back up equation is right then why wouldn't i change ?

For me it,s all about the deal on the day, normally there would be 2 or 3 in the running, eg fendt , valta or case, they are all local to me. There are some tractors i would,t even look at, personal taste, horror stories etc etc. What scares me is my front line tractor is in its 5 th year and the gap to upgrade is already got to big, looks like it will be staying another 5.

 

[Jdunn55]

They’ve both lost shares because of prices in my view. Simple as that they are to expensive for what your getting. £120,000 - £150,000 after discount for 220-240hp tractors on farm depending on brand.

So many are not trading in and keeping tractors whilst buying used to increase the numbers on farm. Can’t see us trading anything in again. We’ll keep them and retire them to lower hours. By keeping you completely remove yourself from the depreciation argument in terms of ‘price to change’. You then buy in more used tractors as and when cashflow allows and increase the number on farm.

Completely agree regarding them just being too expensive. We needed a scraper tractor brand new you would be talking mid 20's, bought an international that is easily repairable. It's got no warranty but I could buy 8 of them for the same price as one new one!

 

[Speedstar]

one thing a lot of people have not taken into account is at the end of 2019 MF off loaded a lot of tractors in to dealers that had to registered in that year , because of the emissions etc & a lot of these tractor took some moving , so the MF figures for 2019 are not what they look to be