UK UNEMPLOYMENT HOW ITS CHANGED FROM YEARS BACK?

bluebell

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every TV news brings stories of yet more job vacancies? Latest being the other night on the news it said the care in the community sector is over 100,000 short of workers for jobs ? Does anyone on here remember the dark days recessions of the early 1970s/80s when for every job vacanicy their was over 40 people chasing it? What really bothers me is the official UK Unemployment rate, that is people claiming it, from govt stats stood at 2.04 million( aug 2021) figures, whats going on? because thats in my book high unemployment but job vacancies over all sectors of industry is at record levels? Comments please?
 

PostHarvest

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Location
Warwick
I believe that one measure that the government could take would be to reform the social security system - despite the flak that would generate from unions and others. In many cases, the system as it has stood for many years actually prevents people from taking work, especially part-time work, as anything they earn is countered against state benefits. 30 years ago I worked with someone who left a decent job as a skilled metal machinist as he was financially better off staying at home living on child benefits. Only recently I spoke to someone who works a few hours each week and would like to do more but doesn't for the same reason. So its been a long term problem.
 

bluebell

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official figures state that at August 2021 UK unemployment stood at 2.04 million, id like to know a bit more like how many have been unemployed for more than say 2 years ? and different regions and countries such as wales, northern ireland and scotland ?
 

Jonp

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Gwent
I believe that one measure that the government could take would be to reform the social security system - despite the flak that would generate from unions and others. In many cases, the system as it has stood for many years actually prevents people from taking work, especially part-time work, as anything they earn is countered against state benefits. 30 years ago I worked with someone who left a decent job as a skilled metal machinist as he was financially better off staying at home living on child benefits. Only recently I spoke to someone who works a few hours each week and would like to do more but doesn't for the same reason. So its been a long term problem.
Isn't universal credit a state subsidy given to people earning low wages in some of our biggest companies....like supermarkets fast food outlets etc.
Keeps them with a cheap subsidised workforce so they can make mega profits...or am I wrong?
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
Isn't universal credit a state subsidy given to people earning low wages in some of our biggest companies....like supermarkets fast food outlets etc.
Keeps them with a cheap subsidised workforce so they can make mega profits...or am I wrong?
I think a lot of benefits are top ups aren't they? There's help here for anyone with children that earn under a certain amount.
Farm subs are a top up aren't they?
One of the biggest issues keeping people from full time employment is child care, especially during Covid and the fact that many jobs either require some kind of qualification or are temp/zero hours contracts.
There's always going to be lazy people and unemployable people, but the truth is most adults in countries like the UK and NZ do work.
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
every TV news brings stories of yet more job vacancies? Latest being the other night on the news it said the care in the community sector is over 100,000 short of workers for jobs ? Does anyone on here remember the dark days recessions of the early 1970s/80s when for every job vacanicy their was over 40 people chasing it? What really bothers me is the official UK Unemployment rate, that is people claiming it, from govt stats stood at 2.04 million( aug 2021) figures, whats going on? because thats in my book high unemployment but job vacancies over all sectors of industry is at record levels? Comments please?
There are more people setting themselves up in business these days. Why work in a care home or as a builders labourer if you can drive your car for Uber to your schedule or go on line and have people give you money for streaming computer games on Twitch.
Everyone wants to be a boss or manager, no one wants the crap jobs that are always advertised. Don't blame them either, why do it if alternatives exist?
Are you an employee? If not why not?
 

Formatted

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Livestock Farmer
Location
SE
30 years ago I worked with someone who left a decent job as a skilled metal machinist as he was financially better off staying at home living on child benefits.
Must be a pretty sh!t machinist given that child benefit is £21 per week, a reduces for every extra child.

Child care is a big issue, my wife could go back to work but it doesn't pay when you think we'd have to get child care.
 

Lincoln75

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Isn't universal credit a state subsidy given to people earning low wages in some of our biggest companies....like supermarkets fast food outlets etc.
Keeps them with a cheap subsidised workforce so they can make mega profits...or am I wrong?
You are right but you forgot to add farms and a long list of others who are subsidised by the tax payer , in fact any employer paying less than around £15.00ph is being subsidised by the tax payer via U.C.
 
Too much lazy youth who want to lay in bed all day watching tv,playing computer games and breeding.they all want a kick up the arse
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I think the issue is that actually, the nature of business and the average workplace has changed.

Job for life in skilled trades or in factories aren't there any longer. To be a member of a trade these days requires good school grades etc which a lot of the youth do not have.

Meanwhile what has increased is low pay, no job security low level stuff, gig economy, shop work, fast food type stuff. Pay is pants, hours are irregular and the benefits are non-existent.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Get rid of the black economy that avoids tax by working for cash, while also putting severe restrictions if not a ban on so-called zero-hour temporary contracts.
The other way to boost employment is to get rid of taxes on employing people. Doesn't it seem ridiculous that when I employ somebody, I have to pay employers National Insurance, NEST pension contribution [basically more NI], and tax based on how much I pay the employee [PAYE] as employers tax contribution. Employees should be paid a gross sum and pay their own taxes in my opinion, whether that's deducted by the employer on their behalf or not. The bloody government take a ridiculous rate of tax if you add in the employee's spending such as VAT, rates, tax on buying and selling houses, insurance tax and lord knows what else on money they have already paid tax on as they earned it. It really is a sick joke.
 

Muddyroads

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Location
Devon
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Renaultman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Darlington
Get rid of the black economy that avoids tax by working for cash, while also putting severe restrictions if not a ban on so-called zero-hour temporary contracts.
The other way to boost employment is to get rid of taxes on employing people. Doesn't it seem ridiculous that when I employ somebody, I have to pay employers National Insurance, NEST pension contribution [basically more NI], and tax based on how much I pay the employee [PAYE] as employers tax contribution. Employees should be paid a gross sum and pay their own taxes in my opinion, whether that's deducted by the employer on their behalf or not. The bloody government take a ridiculous rate of tax if you add in the employee's spending such as VAT, rates, tax on buying and selling houses, insurance tax and lord knows what else on money they have already paid tax on as they earned it. It really is a sick joke.
The black economy is all but gone IMHO. Also in the 70s early 80s in the years of my youth and Maggie's 3 million on the dole, nearly everyone I knew, outside of farming, was on the dole but nearly every one of them did at least a day or twos work cash in hand
 

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Written by Richard Halleron from Agriland

The Livestock and Meat Commission (LMC) recently submitted oral evidence to members of the Stormont Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs (AERA) committee on the content and potential impact of the Northern Ireland Climate Change Bill (No.2).

This draft legislation was recently introduced to the Northern Ireland Assembly by the Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs (DAERA) in conjunction with agriculture minister, Edwin Poots.

“We were accompanied by representatives from a wide range of food industry bodies, including the Northern Ireland Meat Exporters’ Association,the Ulster Farmers’ Union [UFU], Northern...
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