Ukranian No Till Drill

steveR

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Briveting around on Alibaba a few days ago and looking at what our Chinese cousins are doing in the way of drills and I came across a link to this company in the Ukraine.

https://www.siva-agro.com/en/kharak...-nova-3-0-no-till-technology/siva-nova-3.html

Very competitive pricing by Western European standards as the above drill is around £16K on 150mm spacing, c/w with an add-on small seed hopper and hydraulic markers!! Low HP requirements on all the drills!

I wonder what a container load would cost to get to Blighty?

As an aside... if the lass in the 2nd Vid was going to be showing me around, I reckon a trip over there is on the cards... purely to look at the Drill, of course!

https://www.siva-agro.com/en/no-till-3.html
 
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steveR said:
Briveting around on Alibaba a few days ago and looking at what our Chinese cousins are doing in the way of drills and I came across a link to this company in the Ukraine.

https://www.siva-agro.com/en/kharak...-nova-3-0-no-till-technology/siva-nova-3.html

Very competitive pricing by Western European standards as the above drill is around £16K on 150mm spacing, c/w with an add-on small seed hopper and hydraulic markers!! Low HP requirements on all the drills!

I wonder what a container load would cost to get to Blighty?

As an aside... if the lass in the 2nd Vid was going to be showing me around, I reckon a trip over there is on the cards... purely to look at the Drill, of course!

https://www.siva-agro.com/en/no-till-3.html
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there were loads of no till drills we saw at Agritecnica last year currently not available in the uk, some looked very good, other not so good !
 
Marius

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Just got back from 3 day No Till conference NTLAB20 in Kiev (January 21-23). Interesting stuff. Some quite interesting local speakers, also speaker from Argentina and real time video presentation by Dwyane Beck. Can tell you, they are like 10 years ahead of us overhere in sense of no till.
There are some local drill manufacturers useing Argentinian seed openers. Agro-Soyuz building Turbosem single-disc drills also drills with Crossslot openers. A lot of times there drill transport width is more than 3m.
 
steveR

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Clive said:
there were loads of no till drills we saw at Agritecnica last year currently not available in the uk, some looked very good, other not so good !
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Some of the Chinese machines intrigue me, but nothing for our market that I have seen...

Surprised some of the niche small machinery lads have not tried a few of the more unusual machines into the UK
 
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steveR

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Chris F said:
In no-till the tool itself only does about 20% of the job.
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Interesting comment Chris. As a complete novice here, but very interested, how do you arrive at that figure?

In my understanding, getting the soil structure right long term is the key to no-till, but the right drill allows this to happen more easily and possibly, more quickly.

Then it's down to good agronomy, seeds into a good seedbed, up and moving, and then look after the crop whatever it may be and however your management may work.
 
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SilliamWhale said:
You can get a 3m NZ style aitchison for less than the price of the that Ukranian one. Also the Ukrainain one is pretty primitive tech.
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You can't! ;)

The Simtech Grassfarmer is the machine you mean I guess?. Not better, not worse, but different. The T-Sem 300 is nearer the same kit as the Ukranian I would have though and quite a lot more money... sadly.

The cheaper SZM 3.0 works out around £10.5K with small seed box and looks as if its a ferti box as well.


However, without them both here in the yard, it's hard to say.... :) The big thing is how any machine deals with trash...

Primitive=Low Tech, which is not necessarily a bad thing. The much maligned Triton?? is a low tech machine from what I gather and has a place in the market, and on the land. I am surprised we have not seen budget Polish drills over here by now though.
 
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Its more that the front discs potentially lack penetratability on all but the kindest soils, the double disc coulters are not on parallel links which help contour following and seed placement/ slot closing isn't up to much on those style coulters.

This design is not new - its an 80's design and it just lacks a few features to make the job work as well as ideal. I'm not against cheap - I like cheap but in this case its not v exciting
 
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SilliamWhale said:
Its more that the front discs potentially lack penetratability on all but the kindest soils, the double disc coulters are not on parallel links which help contour following and seed placement/ slot closing isn't up to much on those style coulters.

This design is not new - its an 80's design and it just lacks a few features to make the job work as well as ideal. I'm not against cheap - I like cheap but in this case its not v exciting
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I guess its a classic case of you "yer pay's yer money, yer makes yer choice"! :)
 
clbarclay

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I wouldn't call Great Plains cheap, but compared to other types of drill, I wasn't very excited by what I saw of their triple disc drill's performance on a trial plots at one of the groundswell's. To be fair though I have had a couple of nice crops of winter linseed that was planted using a Bettinson 3d.

I can't say how precises the 20% figure Chris F said above is, but certainly there is significantly more to successful no till than the flavor of drill.
 
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Farmer Roy said:
trash clearance has always been the main priority for any zero till planters here since we started playing with it 30 or 40 yrs ago, and still is . . .
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I learnt that years ago, when I bought a very 2nd hand Kockerling Drill with an Amazon top. Spring tine coulters and heavy press wheels. Did a brilliant job in one circumstance only... stubbles that had been burnt off!! I used it mainly for drilling turnips into lightly disced and rolled seedbed.

The problem was that even a short stubble would block it as the coulters just did not have enough room between them... I am looking at it again and wondering if I could get the 2/3rds of the tines off and try it again.... ;)
 
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