Ultra Reliable Tractor?

[Clive]

I really don't equate dealer serviced with well serviced. A good mechanic is a good mechanic, dealer or not. The problem is that some dealers mechanic's are not worthy of the name. Plus, servicing is often left to the apprentice in my experience.

not these days imo - I would not value a farm serviced tractor as highly as a dealer serviced one as is common place in the car world

modern tractors need access to the software updates etc and dealers only use the high quality OE oils and filters, not cheaper after market stuff

the fact an owner is prepared to pay the premium of a dealer service also gives insight that he’s not prepared to cut or compromise corners which can often reflect in how the machine has been treated / driven

Also a dealer service is a proper record of when exactly it was sercived, you are not just taking someone’s word for it (shock horror even farmers lie sometimes !)

everyone’s own choice of course but for me looking at x2 identical tractors, one dealer serviced and one “apparently“ farm serviced I would pay a bit more for the dealer serviced machine ...... who wouldn’t on the basis they were the same in every other respect ?

 

[manhill]

This the best hp you can get .

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=415826292328971

even Greta would like this.

 

[Two Tone]

Fastrac 2155. Only seen the dealer once since 2014 for a minor suspension problem, other than for its major services.
Even our accountant has told me they are the most cost effective tractors we have ever had.

 

[davieh3350]

A Belarus and some ear muffs

If he’s going to head east for a tractor he may as well go for it properly

 

[Cowabunga]

Does nobody buy Zetor? What about Landini? Or maybe Hurlimann? Something a bit different.

Are they rare for good reason or just snobbery?

Landini owns McCormick and prefers to sell red in the UK. They are not particularly reliable, or unreliable but historically ARGO spares back up in the UK has been chaotic.
Zetor has been a tractor company in real trouble in recent years with frequent supply problems if not quality and reliability ones.
Hurlimann is just a Same or Lamborghini, or latterly a Deutz in drab drag. Only one small importer into the UK, subsequently a rare beast.

I'd stick with big brands and popular models personally. Far less bother in the long term.

As for 'dealer servicing', ideally it should ensure that it has been done properly. However in my experience with many local dealers and many more farmers, some mechanics just don't have the experience or the time or the inclination to 'know' the tractor properly. Yes they will change all the oils and filters and all the expensive stuff that might not even need to be replaced at every service, but they tend to miss some grease nipples and small but significant faults or potential faults. I also see many tractors that are dealer serviced that are not looked at by the owner or driver on a daily or weekly basis. No fluid, fastener, wiring checks done or greasing between dealer services. Not even rads blown out until they overheat. After all, it was 'dealer serviced only eight weeks ago'!

 

[bravheart]

Read an article about a contractor north of here a couple of years ago, did lime as well as all field work, running mostly NH and a few claas, had a loading shovel with over 20k hours only ever serviced and most reliable tractor was an MB trac. with over 12k hours iirc.
Probably also depends on the type of work done.

 

[balerman]

7530????????? Mine is like Trigger's broom. I think the steering wheel is still original.

I bet it was an early one,I know a few like that.A mate of mine bought an immaculate 08 plate a few months ago,main crank seal went,£6k bill to add to purchase price...

 

[Chae1]

I bet it was an early one,I know a few like that.A mate of mine bought an immaculate 08 plate a few months ago,main crank seal went,£6k bill to add to purchase price...

Think that was part of problem with ours. Think of was one of first. Pretty sure it was 57 or 08.

When we traded out of it JD dealer offered us what was supposedly a never to be repeated deal on a 7230r when they first came out. Think we dodged a bullet not buying it!

 

[sjt01]

Pre-AGCO Fendt, with Turbomatic clutch. I wish we had kept them rather than trading in. I think all we needed was a water pump in 11000 hours

 

[Deutzdx3]

Case with a Cummins. Job done. Cheap to repair if they do go wrong. Very reliable engine. Can’t want more than that.

 

[Triangle]

Had a few deeres that ended with a 6420s with a un curable hydraulic wine and countless niggles under 5k houres a 6430p pistons delaminated full engine rebuild then we sold the 6420s for a massy as have a friend who has verry little troubble with theres 3years down the line dont miss the parts bills atall best decision massy hasn't put a foot wrong yet didnt realies how nice it is to just get in and use mechines saves endless time its easy to miss seeing just how much your spending on repairs even with doing meny ourself avioded nh as would of been t6 tetoritory bomb proof engine weed back end
just needed a jd with a ftp engine

 

[Deutzdx3]

not these days imo - I would not value a farm serviced tractor as highly as a dealer serviced one as is common place in the car world

modern tractors need access to the software updates etc and dealers only use the high quality OE oils and filters, not cheaper after market stuff

the fact an owner is prepared to pay the premium of a dealer service also gives insight that he’s not prepared to cut or compromise corners which can often reflect in how the machine has been treated / driven

Also a dealer service is a proper record of when exactly it was sercived, you are not just taking someone’s word for it (shock horror even farmers lie sometimes !)

everyone’s own choice of course but for me looking at x2 identical tractors, one dealer serviced and one “apparently“ farm serviced I would pay a bit more for the dealer serviced machine ...... who wouldn’t on the basis they were the same in every other respect ?

Can’t agree with that,
Oils for instant, jd, fendt, NH, they don’t make oil or filters. Mann Hummel Make filters and badge them for respective oem. Oil will be badged as well. You could have tff badged oil straight from shell if you bought enough. Morris lubricants meet all specs and approvals of jd, NH Case and others. 40 gal drum sure is cheaper than one out of the main dealer.

I get why dealers are protective over work. They’ve invested a lot of money into development. They want a return. That said, there is legislation happenimg in America currently, the right to repair and maintain what you own. When it goes through it’ll open a whole new world. Software will be readily available. Change is a foot..

 

[Triangle]

Can’t agree with that,
Oils for instant, jd, fendt, NH, they don’t make oil or filters. Mann Hummel Make filters and badge them for respective oem. Oil will be badged as well. You could have tff badged oil straight from shell if you bought enough. Morris lubricants meet all specs and approvals of jd, NH Case and others. 40 gal drum sure is cheaper than one out of the main dealer.

I get why dealers are protective over work. They’ve invested a lot of money into development. They want a return. That said, there is legislation happenimg in America currently, the right to repair and maintain what you own. When it goes through it’ll open a whole new world. Software will be readily available. Change is a foot..

Made my smile my genuine agco massy filters box contained a filter branded komatsu

 

[michael N123]

not these days imo - I would not value a farm serviced tractor as highly as a dealer serviced one as is common place in the car world

modern tractors need access to the software updates etc and dealers only use the high quality OE oils and filters, not cheaper after market stuff

the fact an owner is prepared to pay the premium of a dealer service also gives insight that he’s not prepared to cut or compromise corners which can often reflect in how the machine has been treated / driven

Also a dealer service is a proper record of when exactly it was sercived, you are not just taking someone’s word for it (shock horror even farmers lie sometimes !)

everyone’s own choice of course but for me looking at x2 identical tractors, one dealer serviced and one “apparently“ farm serviced I would pay a bit more for the dealer serviced machine ...... who wouldn’t on the basis they were the same in every other respect ?

I’ve known of new tractors basically miss a service because by Over 500 hours go to the dealers for a service and they stamp the missed services as done
Likely to keep the second hand value up if they no there getting it back one day

 

[Cowabunga]

Can’t agree with that,
Oils for instant, jd, fendt, NH, they don’t make oil or filters. Mann Hummel Make filters and badge them for respective oem. Oil will be badged as well. You could have tff badged oil straight from shell if you bought enough. Morris lubricants meet all specs and approvals of jd, NH Case and others. 40 gal drum sure is cheaper than one out of the main dealer.

I get why dealers are protective over work. They’ve invested a lot of money into development. They want a return. That said, there is legislation happenimg in America currently, the right to repair and maintain what you own. When it goes through it’ll open a whole new world. Software will be readily available. Change is a foot..

Indeed AGCO oil in the UK comes from Morris of Shrewsbury but the factory fill is with BP for French built tractors.

Is The Right to Repair going through in America? I somehow doubt it. Big names, primarily John Deere and Apple have been lobbying vigorously and consistently against it.

 

[Cowabunga]

I’ve known of new tractors basically miss a service because by Over 500 hours go to the dealers for a service and they stamp the missed services as done
Likely to keep the second hand value up if they no there getting it back one day

I had a new quad bike a couple of months ago and asked in good time for its first service to be done. It was finally done a month later and 100 miles, double the recommended mileage overdue. If I was doing it myself it would have been done within the day, but the first service was 'free' and they insist on it being done by the dealer for warranty reasons. It was just a simple oil and filter change plus a check over plus I wanted the front tracking adjusted because it was delivered with a 2cm toe out.

 

[Clive]

Can’t agree with that,
Oils for instant, jd, fendt, NH, they don’t make oil or filters. Mann Hummel Make filters and badge them for respective oem. Oil will be badged as well. You could have tff badged oil straight from shell if you bought enough. Morris lubricants meet all specs and approvals of jd, NH Case and others. 40 gal drum sure is cheaper than one out of the main dealer.

I get why dealers are protective over work. They’ve invested a lot of money into development. They want a return. That said, there is legislation happenimg in America currently, the right to repair and maintain what you own. When it goes through it’ll open a whole new world. Software will be readily available. Change is a foot..

all very well but did the farmer who said he serviced it ACTUALLY service it ?

i will take (and pay for) the dealer service record any day given choice

 

[Clive]

I’ve known of new tractors basically miss a service because by Over 500 hours go to the dealers for a service and they stamp the missed services as done
Likely to keep the second hand value up if they no there getting it back one day

wht would a dealer give a service stamp away ?

more than their franchise worth if ever caught i expect

 

[Tomr10]

all very well but did the farmer who said he serviced it ACTUALLY service it ?

i will take (and pay for) the dealer service record any day given choice

I have known of dealers not servicing them

 

[fiatf130]

Yes Clive is extremely nieve to believe that dealers do everything they say. Its been proven before that dealers haven't changed everything they say they have. I bought a 2nd hand 4x4 once with full dealer service history. 1st time I serviced it myself it was clearly evident that the fuel filter had never been changed with 56000 miles and approx 5 years old!