umbilical headland

DGC1

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Location
Scotland
do the current offering of headland management setups actually work ok?
can you divert the pump to tank and shut the dribble bar off and then flick it back on again?
only asking in relation to 9m or 12m dribble bar and not wider bars.
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on crop, we are wanting to be able to shut the dribble bar off at headland turns, corners, pylons etc etc to avoid over application or missed bits.
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if the headland management units don't work then who makes tank / pump setup for front linkage so that the pump can pump to it during turning etc.
 

CrevisbigX

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Location
Cheshire
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cosmagedon

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Location
North Wales
Never been involved in umbilical spreading before so this may be a stupid idea. I've always wondered why can't you close a valve off at the spreader and have a 3 way valve at the pump diverting back to the pit, but this is more like a relief valve so it keeps your line full and pressurised so your ready to spread as soon as you open the valve at the spreader again?
 

Superted820

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Location
Cornwall.
its a blank sheet of paper
looking at the whole system at the moment to either purchase or get another contractor set up the way I want it done.
When I'm running with my disc injector, on the headlands the man on the pump diverts slurry from the outlet of the pump back to the slurry pit. This is done hydraulically and allows me in the field to shut the gate to stop applying slurry where I don't want to. It also keeps pressure in the pipes so turning etc won't twist up pipes, and when opening, flow is up to pressure and consistent straight away.
I'm sure there are bigger operators who can do this remotely but I have the old style man on a tractor and pump keeping an eye on things!
 

Peppa pig

Member
Location
Castle douglas
had a look on his fb page
very tidy front tank setup
so the question is.... is this front tank setup needed or do the headland management setups work!
Will be the only way to keep slurry flowing at a decent rate.if your diverting at the pump the flow will stop or slow down and then its all to get moving again.not seen a headland management system working tho but wouldnt be keen on stopping flow.
 

Speedstar

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Location
Scottish Borders
All this goes out the window if the slurry is going down hill , stopping the flow at the pump end will not work, Problem with a front reeler tank to put it in is the size of them , if you have a big system with a high flow rate a 2 cube tank like some of the front reeler tanks hold is a waste of time will be full in seconds , We have been look at doing some thing like this & I think you need a min tank of 5 cube max of say 9 cube were to you fit this ? unless you run some like a class saddle tank Xerion , I would not stopo the flow as this will give you nothing but problems with your hose in the field
 
All this goes out the window if the slurry is going down hill , stopping the flow at the pump end will not work, Problem with a front reeler tank to put it in is the size of them , if you have a big system with a high flow rate a 2 cube tank like some of the front reeler tanks hold is a waste of time will be full in seconds , We have been look at doing some thing like this & I think you need a min tank of 5 cube max of say 9 cube were to you fit this ? unless you run some like a class saddle tank Xerion , I would not stopo the flow as this will give you nothing but problems with your hose in the field
You can shut the flow off on some spreader bars at headland think sure hoyles from Lancashire has system like that
 

DGC1

Member
Location
Scotland
All this goes out the window if the slurry is going down hill , stopping the flow at the pump end will not work, Problem with a front reeler tank to put it in is the size of them , if you have a big system with a high flow rate a 2 cube tank like some of the front reeler tanks hold is a waste of time will be full in seconds , We have been look at doing some thing like this & I think you need a min tank of 5 cube max of say 9 cube were to you fit this ? unless you run some like a class saddle tank Xerion , I would not stopo the flow as this will give you nothing but problems with your hose in the field

thanks
trust you've seen wox tank on wox fb page or at lamma?
the setup I'm looking at wont be high flow as the limiting factor will be getting digestate to field in tankers and only planning on running 12m dribble bar.
there is no arable land close to the AD plant so everything going onto crop will be hauled a fair distance.
there may be some lagoon work in these arable blocks over time but if we achieve 100-120cu/hr it will be more than enough... given that we are not in an nvz there will be more spreading days available than on east coast. .
....so based on this do you think that the wox tank would be big enough to cope with flow from 4inch hose and fast turns with 12m bar?
I'm aiming to have a very accurate spreading system that has very little overlap or under application at the headlands, poles, pylons. fields in this side of the country require a lot more messing about in compared to east coast and there are some very tidy arable farmers that don't want umbilical in unless we can deliver a faultless job.
 

Speedstar

Member
Location
Scottish Borders
I have no idea what wox is making the one he sold to the contractor in the South was from Holland , if I was you I would get on a plane and go and see some working in Holland the same as we have done, you could save yourself a lot of money, there is a lot of things sold in the UK that are made abroad by other company's and are sold as being made in the UK for a big profit
 

v8willy

Member
Mixed Farmer
All this goes out the window if the slurry is going down hill , stopping the flow at the pump end will not work, Problem with a front reeler tank to put it in is the size of them , if you have a big system with a high flow rate a 2 cube tank like some of the front reeler tanks hold is a waste of time will be full in seconds , We have been look at doing some thing like this & I think you need a min tank of 5 cube max of say 9 cube were to you fit this ? unless you run some like a class saddle tank Xerion , I would not stopo the flow as this will give you nothing but problems with your hose in the field
No nothing about the job but just had an idea....how about a tank on the front as you say, but with a pump running off front pto, tee'd into main line with a non return valve, idea being to knock the pto on now & again to empty it as you go back down the field. May not be practical but would it work?
 

Speedstar

Member
Location
Scottish Borders
No nothing about the job but just had an idea....how about a tank on the front as you say, but with a pump running off front pto, tee'd into main line with a non return valve, idea being to knock the pto on now & again to empty it as you go back down the field. May not be practical but would it work?
That is how some of them work , it is a very small tank to hold 2 cube & that is 2 tons of weight & at 250cube per hour does not take long to fill it when turning.
 

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