umbilical headland

Mc115reed

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Livestock Farmer
Just to throw another thing into the mix.... for this 100% blanket application your wanting to achieve.... how will you work around cleaning the hoses out? As when you first start to blow pressure will be below the usual output rate... and by the time your finished blowing can be double your output rate when the compressor is really blowing its rubbish off....
 

DGC1

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Location
Scotland
on grass it wont matter much as we an simply drive around until line cleaned out but yes your right, there is no point doing a tidy job and then to blow out and make a mess
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blow it back to nurse tank was the plan
going to have compressor on A frame on the back of dribble bar.
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any thoughts or company names on pto or hyd driven compressor would be appreciated as not got that far yet.
work in progress all this!!
 

Mc115reed

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Livestock Farmer
If you can find a high enough cfm rated pto compressor let me know as we would love one haha! I know people using ones off old 3cx jcb air masters....

Blowing it back into the tank could work but would involve your pump man uncoupling to let it go direct not through the pump or rigging some kind of pipe work up to change the flow direction into the tank.... also I wouldn't wanna be anywhere near the bloody thing while it was blowing either!
 

Andy044

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Another one here looking information on PTO compressors.
Hiring them is a cost I could do without, have had to pick up a 260CFM model as our usual 150 was already away on hire, this thing is brutal!
 

DGC1

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Location
Scotland
If you can find a high enough cfm rated pto compressor let me know as we would love one haha! I know people using ones off old 3cx jcb air masters....

Blowing it back into the tank could work but would involve your pump man uncoupling to let it go direct not through the pump or rigging some kind of pipe work up to change the flow direction into the tank.... also I wouldn't wanna be anywhere near the bloody thing while it was blowing either!

thanks
ideally would like a hyd drive but not sure if they will be anywhere near enough capacity
search starts now.
we are only going to be using 4inch pipe on crop so it just needs to be good enough to blow that out
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re back to tank
well as things stand I'm going to try the sk pump/headland management system - its not a lot of money so if it fails then not a lot lost.
if it works well then its a lot easier than front tank and associated pipework.
+ it leaves the front linkage free for reeler (or I put the compressor on the front and backpack reeler on the back)
at the pump there will already be pipework in place to return to tank so it will simply be a case of either coupling this up or putting 2no valves in to direct the sponge to tank- a basket to catch
 

Mc115reed

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Livestock Farmer
You'll need atleast 140cfm even on 4inch ... even that can take up to half hour to blow out a good length of pipe! .... basket to catch sponge wouldn't really work as the pressure they come out at it would just shred into pieces and disappear and they're not mega cheap £10 a good sponge ball ...


Not sure on the sk system not seen it working.... sounds the dogs rubbish but a disaster if it goes wrong and returns to tank at too low of pressure reducing output in field....
 

DGC1

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Location
Scotland
Agree re sk system
It will either work or it won't and if it doesn't work then that will be end of story.
If it works perfectly then the next issue will be if there are any secondary issues I.e pipe issues etc
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Fishing pole needed rather than basket then!
Might put a small box at the outlet in the tank so that it catches anything
 

Mc115reed

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Livestock Farmer
The rate the sponge comes out you want it pointing down also as it'll clear a 5acre field if not pointing straight down haha ...
 

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Been using the SK headland management today, it works.. When I shut off the dribble bar, the pump man sees the pressure rise and then the return valve opens back to the tank. Did 25 acres there and worked as expected. I need more experience to make a tidy job though, having the right gear is only part of the solution.
 

Maxxum-man

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North west
Been using the SK headland management today, it works.. When I shut off the dribble bar, the pump man sees the pressure rise and then the return valve opens back to the tank. Did 25 acres there and worked as expected. I need more experience to make a tidy job though, having the right gear is only part of the solution.

What's the rough cost of the headland management system from SK?
 

Mc115reed

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Livestock Farmer
It will always work well when it's new but over time you'll find the more sh!t holes you go to with everything under the sun in the slurry the silage, sand, little stones will get jammed up in the slews gates and they won't close / open properly.... I'd love a go with it mind but I just think there's a lot of potential flaws with such a system.......
 

DGC1

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Location
Scotland
It will always work well when it's new but over time you'll find the more sh!t holes you go to with everything under the sun in the slurry the silage, sand, little stones will get jammed up in the slews gates and they won't close / open properly.... I'd love a go with it mind but I just think there's a lot of potential flaws with such a system.......

agree re your points....
but robAD and dgc1 are spreading perfectly clean 4-5% dm liquid
so as long as it does that with minimal issues then it would be all good
 

Tommy

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Location
North East Wales
Will it hold working pressure in the pipes while its returning back to the pit if your working up hill? I'm thinking of pipes twisting or a weight of slurry trying to get back in the pit while you turn. I can't say I know a lot about the job so I could be way off.
 

DGC1

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Location
Scotland
Will it hold working pressure in the pipes while its returning back to the pit if your working up hill? I'm thinking of pipes twisting or a weight of slurry trying to get back in the pit while you turn. I can't say I know a lot about the job so I could be way off.

yes there would be pressure but if the slurry is capsulated in the pipe at say 14bar pressure at the pump then how much is realistically going to be flowing back? and the pressure wouldn't change?
my worry is what is going to happen when the flow is stopping to zero for say 30 seconds and then when the valves are opened the slurry has to go from a standing start to say 120cu/hr again quickly- maybe its not a problem but when you look at the starting amps on the ad plant stuff compared to amps when pumps are flowing then there is a huge difference- got any hills on your land robAD?
 

Mc115reed

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Livestock Farmer
Would be interested to know how the system is going in say 6months time... as the constant loading/unloading on the macerator might not be a good thing? And the constant gate valve moving a might also be a problem in future? Keep us posted on how you get on [emoji5]
 
on grass it wont matter much as we an simply drive around until line cleaned out but yes your right, there is no point doing a tidy job and then to blow out and make a mess
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blow it back to nurse tank was the plan
going to have compressor on A frame on the back of dribble bar.
--
any thoughts or company names on pto or hyd driven compressor would be appreciated as not got that far yet.
work in progress all this!!


Contact Mark Roberts at Mastek, they have a hydraulic drive compressor which they mount alongside our SX pumps.
 

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