Unaccountable organisations.....

[Campbell]

Bliar has done very well ££££, out of warfare and talking about it. Hope he gives generously to worthy causes.

 

[SilliamWhale]

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Bliar has done very well ££££, out of warfare and talking about it. Hope he gives generously to worthy causes.

Hey now don't be mean. He was our middle East peace envoy!

 

[HatsOff]

Although, HSE can be a bit overzealous, like, for example their out of touch bale stacking suggestion, they do at least have a remit which is to reduce accidents etc. Bales do have a habit of killing people so you can see their point.

We're a civilised country and don't want to go back to barefoot kids working on building sites. Some of it is ridiculous but there is usually a point to it.

Don't get me started on the Mafia though.

Thing to remember about the HSE is the people coming round inspecting are the same ones who have to attend when a body part is amputated, or once the police have decided it's a workplace death. And explain to the coroner and/or a trial what got someone killed.

A few farm accidents later and they lose their sense of humour about it.

 

[Oliveau]

Water authorities pumpino sewerage into the sea

In defence I would say this:
AFAIK nobody deliberately pumps sewage into the sea. The problems stem from old sewerage systems where there was historically no separation of rainwater from foul water, so when it rains heavily the by now very diluted sewage ends up in the sea because the Combined Sewage Overflows open to prevent the sewers surcharging and flooding the towns. The upheaval and cost of separating rainwater in old urban properties would be eye-watering. Similarly the cost of installing temporary storage at CSO’s would be inevitably borne by customers.
One of the issues that govt. will not address is the problem that SWW face - the biggest stretch of coastline of any water authority, but a relatively small local population. Visitor numbers in the summer multiply many fold placing great strain on infrastructure locally, but said visitors do not pay water charges to SWW. The cost of improvements to infrastructure are borne entirely by the local population. (Incidentally the same argument applies to the cost of policing in Devon & Cornwall.)

 

[neilo]

disgraceful behavior by the police, in the historical sex allegations made about people such as edward heath, lord brammell, and others, on the say so of a fantisist? who was made to answer for that? all the distress and angress it caused, not alone the wasted amount of police time and resources? the very bitter pill we have to swallow is many of these incompetent civil servants either get early retirement on a very big fat gold plated pension? or as happened many times, get another big fat well payed job in an other local authority? disgraceful? Tony Blair in my view takes some beating for the top person, king of the cockups? not been made to answer for the UK going to war on the pretence that iraq had weapons of mass distruction? Oh so they hunted high and low when they got there for them ?

Whilst I agree that how the police treated the wrongly accused, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. All those cases were alleged and investigated soon after everyone was getting criticism for not listening to the accusers of Jimmy Saville, and for not investigating him.

 

[No wot]

Has anyone else noticed that rather than stand up and face the music over their mistakes, incompetence or other unreputable actions, the mental health card is played , now don't get me wrong , I'm not knocking genuine people who have mental health issues one bit , but I' get the impression it's a , go to line , that is used totally out of context and is an insult to anyone who genuinely suffers with anxiety and depression

 

[Steevo]

Has anyone else noticed that rather than stand up and face the music over their mistakes, incompetence or other unreputable actions, the mental health card is played , now don't get me wrong , I'm not knocking genuine people who have mental health issues one bit , but I' get the impression it's a , go to line , that is used totally out of context and is an insult to anyone who genuinely suffers with anxiety and depression

I agree in part. It’s like a trump card some people play so as not to be accountable.

The question in my mind is whether they are actually working on their mental health, or just using it as an excuse and shut things down.

That said some people don’t know how to get help. Or think they are getting help and are actually using that as an excuse not to actually work on it.

Others don’t know that they need help but are just repeating the same troubles over and over.

It’s a very very complicated old world out there.

 

[Tubbylew]

Got one here too. My biggest pet hate being a dairyfarmer is Dairy Australia. Set themselves up post deregulation out of whatever they were called as a industry research body. Only us farmers pay a levy to them, not the processors. No accountability at all. $650 k to the chairman (more than the PM gets) and all they have to do is "spend" our money every year.
The levy is due for voting on this year. There is NO option to either reduce the amount or pay zero. We have seen zero benefit on farm from the 150k + in levy payments we have had to cough up (taken out of our milk cheque by the processor) since the pŕìçks set themselves up with jobs for life...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's the same problems the world over,and the rest of the world seems to be using the uk as something to work towards, rotten to the core.

 

[ajcc]

I am having to deal with (it will be ten year anniversary on May 20th.coming up of ongoing battle) a conspiratorial little group of unaccountables.
Jointly headed by my landlord NT and NE. Any appeal (six, I think too date) goes to DEFRA who sit on it for months or even several years....yes years plural and then .....join the club.
Devon County Council (archaeology dept.) is another involved.
Natural England knows best...you really couldn’t make it up.

 

[bluebell]

yes the police should investigate? but on the say so of onefantasist? Common sense says i would have thought that before considerable police resources are committed to a case alot more evidence should have been produced? jimmy saville its alot difference in many respects, the main one being very many people were, had been assaulted by him?

 

[Oliveau]

yes the police should investigate? but on the say so of onefantasist? Common sense says i would have thought that before considerable police resources are committed to a case alot more evidence should have been produced? jimmy saville its alot difference in many respects, the main one being very many people were, had been assaulted by him?

And in the case of Savile, an awful lot of people, particularly at BBC, knew what was going on but remained silent.

 

[Kidds]

And in the case of Savile, an awful lot of people, particularly at BBC, knew what was going on but remained silent.

Didn't just remain silent but silenced others too.

 

[Bogweevil]

You can form pressure groups like Restore Trust who are having a go at the National Trust and getting elected to the board. I think Restore Trust are in error.

In the case of councils you can use your elected representatives, and if you don't like them seek election yourself.

After 11 years of Tory rule, Britain is still run by a hypocritical Blairite elite​

The quangos and ....co.uk/politics/2021/11/08/11-years-tory-rule-britain-still-run-hypocritical-blairite-elite/#comment

Actually it is the Conservatives who have failed most recently with the disappointing results of Osborne's famous 'bonfire of the quangos'. The current review by the office of public accountability has investigated just a third of current semiautonomous bodies since 2016.

 

[Bongodog]

In defence I would say this:
AFAIK nobody deliberately pumps sewage into the sea. The problems stem from old sewerage systems where there was historically no separation of rainwater from foul water, so when it rains heavily the by now very diluted sewage ends up in the sea because the Combined Sewage Overflows open to prevent the sewers surcharging and flooding the towns. The upheaval and cost of separating rainwater in old urban properties would be eye-watering. Similarly the cost of installing temporary storage at CSO’s would be inevitably borne by customers.
One of the issues that govt. will not address is the problem that SWW face - the biggest stretch of coastline of any water authority, but a relatively small local population. Visitor numbers in the summer multiply many fold placing great strain on infrastructure locally, but said visitors do not pay water charges to SWW. The cost of improvements to infrastructure are borne entirely by the local population. (Incidentally the same argument applies to the cost of policing in Devon & Cornwall.)

The visitors however stay in hotels, caravan sites, holiday cottages etc that do pay charges to SWW so whilst the bills go to local addresses they will have the income from the tourists to settle them. Policing is slightly different as its a charge on domestic rates bills but don't think its on business rates.
There is though I readily admit a huge historical problem, a few weeks back we were in Devon and visited Clovelley, those who don't know it, its a historic village literally clinging to the side of the cliffs, there's only one way for the sewage to go and thats downhill to the harbour. I assume these days there must be either a huge reception pit that is emptied regularly by tanker or a substantial pump that sends it all to the top of the cliffs. Either way its hugely expensive compared to most of the UK and in all likelihood impossible to prevent overflow when the rain is biblical.

 

[quattro]

In defence I would say this:
AFAIK nobody deliberately pumps sewage into the sea. The problems stem from old sewerage systems where there was historically no separation of rainwater from foul water, so when it rains heavily the by now very diluted sewage ends up in the sea because the Combined Sewage Overflows open to prevent the sewers surcharging and flooding the towns. The upheaval and cost of separating rainwater in old urban properties would be eye-watering. Similarly the cost of installing temporary storage at CSO’s would be inevitably borne by customers.
One of the issues that govt. will not address is the problem that SWW face - the biggest stretch of coastline of any water authority, but a relatively small local population. Visitor numbers in the summer multiply many fold placing great strain on infrastructure locally, but said visitors do not pay water charges to SWW. The cost of improvements to infrastructure are borne entirely by the local population. (Incidentally the same argument applies to the cost of policing in Devon & Cornwall.)

Could we use that excuse though
Our slurry tanks can’t cope !!
One rule for one and another for them

 

[Tarw Coch]

Could we use that excuse though
Our slurry tanks can’t cope !!
One rule for one and another for them

Absolutely, if they can use the excuse they can’t afford to invest whilst their chief execs are on Monopoly money salaries I’m sure it’s a valid excuse for farmers

 

[teslacoils]

Has anyone else noticed that rather than stand up and face the music over their mistakes, incompetence or other unreputable actions, the mental health card is played , now don't get me wrong , I'm not knocking genuine people who have mental health issues one bit , but I' get the impression it's a , go to line , that is used totally out of context and is an insult to anyone who genuinely suffers with anxiety and depression

The accountability timeframe allows these organisations to let the fallguy leave on mental health grounds. Thus they can say the attributable employee no longer works for X.

If this involves a NDA, and resettlement payment, I wouldn't know.

 

[texelburger]

Has anyone else noticed that rather than stand up and face the music over their mistakes, incompetence or other unreputable actions, the mental health card is played , now don't get me wrong , I'm not knocking genuine people who have mental health issues one bit , but I' get the impression it's a , go to line , that is used totally out of context and is an insult to anyone who genuinely suffers with anxiety and depression

So true.

 

[manhill]

Water authorities pumpino sewerage into the sea

That's just recycling (if we eat the fish that is).

 

[Tarw Coch]

That's just recycling (if we eat the fish that is).

Does that make it ok for cowsh!t to go down the river if we use fish meal