Unaccountable organisations.....

[BrianV]

I would get rid of Red Tractor and AHDB tomorrow, but I think you are wrong about Minette Batters. She is the best leader of the NFU for years and has represented us very well in the media. (You might look at the prices we are getting recently)

Please can either of you suggest someone who would be a better President of the NFU? It certainly isn't her understudy.

Sorry but Batters & the NFU are turning out to be a disaster for UK farming, we are at the moment living in a fools paradise as we are receiving inflated prices for a variety of complicated reasons, it’s very possible that before too long they will reverse just as fast as they have risen.
It would seem arable prices are high largely because livestock prices are so good but this can very quickly change, just look what’s happening to the pig industry with very little real publicity or sympathy!
Contrary to what the government claim inflation is now totally out of control & they have no way of damping it down, when inflated wage demands start flooding in the government will do all it can to drastically cut food prices which is where all these dodgy new trade deals will start to kick in.
This is the last year we will receive a reasonable SFP so don’t be persuaded by these illusionary new grants to simply blow it in the believe that there are rosy times ahead.

 

[JP1]

So....we've had:

The Environment Agency and their 100ft drain issue
Red Tractor and their double standards of UK grain vs imported
Natural England and @ajcc
NFU and their denial of ownership of Red Tractor

These are just a few examples of bodies failing in their own remit but hypocritically holding others to account. Sadly this "do as I say, not as I do" attitude of is becoming more and more common in the world today.

I thought it made a bit of sense to bring them all together in a single thread so the pattern is clearly visible, rather than it just being a series of apparently unrelated issues.

Any other examples to add?

@topground I'm sure will back me on DEFRA's FAnGR secretive organisation

 

[ajd132]

Sorry but Batters & the NFU are turning out to be a disaster for UK farming, we are at the moment living in a fools paradise as we are receiving inflated prices for a variety of complicated reasons, it’s very possible that before too long they will reverse just as fast as they have risen.
It would seem arable prices are high largely because livestock prices are so good but this can very quickly change, just look what’s happening to the pig industry with very little real publicity or sympathy!
Contrary to what the government claim inflation is now totally out of control & they have no way of damping it down, when inflated wage demands start flooding in the government will do all it can to drastically cut food prices which is where all these dodgy new trade deals will start to kick in.
This is the last year we will receive a reasonable SFP so don’t be persuaded by these illusionary new grants to simply blow it in the believe that there are rosy times ahead.

The following is going to happen/is currently happening to many farms…..
Bury head in sand
Ignore incoming shift in agriculture we know
Think everything is okay because prices are so high
Make loads of money but buy new kit on finance instead of paying tax
Markets drop like a stone
Bps completely gone
Loads of finance to pay
f**ked!

 

[topground]

@topground I'm sure will back me on DEFRA's FAnGR secretive organisation

@JP1
FAnGR :- Unaccountable, arrogant and the worst of everything you can imagine about the attitude of the civil service. Their decision making processes are shrouded in secrecy, their ‘advisors’ are anonymous and they have done their best to prevent progress in the development of the Sheeted Somerset cattle breed.
Meanwhile in the real world breeders decide what they call their breed and the market place determines the success of that breed.
Greenslade Taylor Hunt Sedgemoor market 27th September 2021. Non assured cull cow topped the market.

 

[neilo]

It would seem arable prices are high largely because livestock prices are so good

You don't really believe that?

Arable prices are high because yields have been pee poor across most of the globe. Fortunately the UK hasn't had a bad harvest, so we have reasonable yields at the same time as global demand has driven prices up.
Forward prices are high because markets are right concerned that next year's harvest could be well down too, as the whole world tightens its Nitrogen use in response to higher prices and tight supply. They may well go higher yet, for no other reason than that.

 

[Hilly]

And in the case of Savile, an awful lot of people, particularly at BBC, knew what was going on but remained silent.

I think some who knew and said and did nothing will still be working their , I refuse to pay a licence fee on the grounds I’m not contributing to an organisation which did and possibly still dose harbour pedophiles .

 

[Hilly]

The mp in question was just being honest. Nfu believers really need to take a step back and look at it. It’s corrupt and run by supermarkets. Your just paying gravy train riders that are colluding behind the scenes against you with the AHDB, RT, AIC and the supermarkets. Wake up.

If only all farmers would see this, but no they keep flogging the half dead horse when in reality it needs shot .

 

[BrianV]

You don't really believe that?

Arable prices are high because yields have been pee poor across most of the globe. Fortunately the UK hasn't had a bad harvest, so we have reasonable yields at the same time as global demand has driven prices up.
Forward prices are high because markets are right concerned that next year's harvest could be well down too, as the whole world tightens its Nitrogen use in response to higher prices and tight supply. They may well go higher yet, for no other reason than that.

Let's hope for your sake you are right, if supplies are so tight are we exporting loads abroad? not so sure the whole world will tighten it's nitrogen use, with arable prices high the temptation is to spread regardless of price.

 

[Steevo]

Let's hope for your sake you are right, if supplies are so tight are we exporting loads abroad? not so sure the whole world will tighten it's nitrogen use, with arable prices high the temptation is to spread regardless of price.

If you can get (and afford/have the cash to pay for) the product.

Not everyone is so fortunate…

 

[Steevo]

@JP1
FAnGR :- Unaccountable, arrogant and the worst of everything you can imagine about the attitude of the civil service. Their decision making processes are shrouded in secrecy, their ‘advisors’ are anonymous and they have done their best to prevent progress in the development of the Sheeted Somerset cattle breed.
Meanwhile in the real world breeders decide what they call their breed and the market place determines the success of that breed.
Greenslade Taylor Hunt Sedgemoor market 27th September 2021. Non assured.
View attachment 997985View attachment 997985

What does it stand for…?

 

[neilo]

Let's hope for your sake you are right, if supplies are so tight are we exporting loads abroad? not so sure the whole world will tighten it's nitrogen use, with arable prices high the temptation is to spread regardless of price.

We are generally an importing nation, but with nowhere to import from. You'd like to think the current situation would open a few eyes in Government regarding food security but I doubt our lot think that far ahead. Meanwhile other countries are subsidising fert, restricting exports and/or increasing export tariffs to feed their own populace first.

Optimal rates are lower when N prices go up. Global supply is tight in a normal year, if there is a yield drop of only 10%, there will be global food shortages.

Couple that with fert supply being reduced, which will not only keep fert prices high, but it may not even be there at all in some regions, or in much reduced quantities. India has so far failed to secure it's requirements at tender, South American countries rely on China, having shut their own factories years ago, and China isn't exporting any.
Interesting times, and certainly not influenced by anything our wee island does, let alone the livestock keepers here.

 

[topground]

What does it stand for…?

Farm animals genetic resources committee.

Farm Animal Genetic Resources Committee

The Farm Animal Genetic Resources Committee (FAnGR) provided advice to Defra and the devolved administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland on all issues relating to farm animal genetic resources particularly its conservation and sustainable use.

www.gov.uk

 

[Qman]

Are you trying to say that Minette batters is so powerful that she affects commodity prices? This is probably the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever seen on this quite often ludicrous forum.

I did not say that. I did say that farmers need to stop talking our industry down, just like many did when we voted Brexit. It didn't happen then and I hope it won't happen in the future.

I think this forum is excellent and I learn a lot from it, it is ludicrous to say the forum is ludicrous.

 

[warksfarmer]

I did not say that. I did say that farmers need to stop talking our industry down, just like many did when we voted Brexit. It didn't happen then and I hope it won't happen in the future.

I think this forum is excellent and I learn a lot from it, it is ludicrous to say the forum is ludicrous.

I would get rid of Red Tractor and AHDB tomorrow, but I think you are wrong about Minette Batters. She is the best leader of the NFU for years and has represented us very well in the media. (You might look at the prices we are getting recently)

Have a look at your bracketed last line and then reread the paragraph it’s attached to.

Again Batters not the Nfu have anything to do with commodity market prices.

 

[Qman]

Have a look at your bracketed last line and then reread the paragraph it’s attached to.

Again Batters not the Nfu have anything to do with commodity market prices.

When prices are low the NFU gets it in the rear, so when prices are high they might get some praise, although it is world prices that influence the market.

Have I missed where you have suggested a better person to lead the NFU than Minette?

Farmers have got a good PR at the moment and having someone like Minette on the media helps. An Arthur Scargill type would put people off.

I'll say again...I would get rid of especially AHDB and Red Tractor tomorrow. However the NFU say without Red Tractor there would be different assurance firms for each buyer with different standards. It would be better if RT stopped thinking up more silly things for us to do. (I have passed my injection test though!)

 

[warksfarmer]

When prices are low the NFU gets it in the rear, so when prices are high they might get some praise, although it is world prices that influence the market.

Have I missed where you have suggested a better person to lead the NFU than Minette?

Farmers have got a good PR at the moment and having someone like Minette on the media helps. An Arthur Scargill type would put people off.

I'll say again...I would get rid of especially AHDB and Red Tractor tomorrow. However the NFU say without Red Tractor there would be different assurance firms for each buyer with different standards. It would be better if RT stopped thinking up more silly things for us to do. (I have passed my injection test though!)

I’ve never heard any farmer blame the Nfu for low prices. They are not connected in any way to market prices. A simply ridiculous thing to incinerate.

And as for a replacement, I’ve already said. Me. I’ll have a clear out.

 

[Qman]

I’ve never heard any farmer blame the Nfu for low prices. They are not connected in any way to market prices. A simply ridiculous thing to incinerate.

And as for a replacement, I’ve already said. Me. I’ll have a clear out.

If you were the NFU leader you would have to be more accurate with your spellin. And you would have to stop calling members ridiculous and ludicrous or you will find there will be none left!

The NFU get the blame whatever happens....like "what are the NFU doing about this and that". You ought to get out more and meet ordinary farmers if you want to get to the top. Have you allowed your name to go forward yet?

 

[warksfarmer]

If you were the NFU leader you would have to be more accurate with your spellin. And you would have to stop calling members ridiculous and ludicrous or you will find there will be none left!

The NFU get the blame whatever happens....like "what are the NFU doing about this and that". You ought to get out more and meet ordinary farmers if you want to get to the top. Have you allowed your name to go forward yet?

Autocorrect has got worse over recent months but I should check it prior to posting.

Diehard members who can’t see the wood for the trees are beyond help as it’s instilled into their genetics that the Nfu can do no wrong. However what I’ve actually said is that any none farming members would be sidelined. For example why are supermarkets members of the National farming union?

Not being a member and not having one member one vote means change will never happen. Instead it’ll just become unwanted and disappear naturally. The evidence of collusion behind the scenes can be obtained using FOI requests.