Universities greed.

[Ffermer Bach]

The best maths teacher who taught when I was at secondary school 76 to 83 was trained at Huddersfield tech
The worst at Cambridge university.

I think to be a really good teacher its best not to be so clever, that you realise some (most) have to be taught.

teaching is a skill, which can be learned, but it is also an art, and I think some have it and some don't, not sure you can learn the "art" bit. Best maths teacher I ever had was Bernard Stanley at Rycotewood, did anyone else on here go to Rycotewood and remember Bernie?

 

[ewald]

Very bright people have often little understanding of how it is to struggle with learning a subject - these teachers can find it hard to explain something in a different way if a pupil doesn’t understand immediately

 

[penntor]

I have not read the article but do have experience of HE.
I spent 40 years working for a first a polytechnic and then a university when it became one, from 1979 to 2019.
In the early 1980's there was a vast increase in student numbers due to the unemployment, what would you prefer to do, spend 3 years on the dole or 3 years in HE at a polytechnic. A lot of these increased students were not really ideal candidates for HE, they would have been far better as apprentices learning a trade but of course apprenticeships had all but disappeared. Later on in the Blair years onward there were increased numbers to keep school leavers off the dole and massage the unemployment figures politics plays a large part in education.
Also I still lament the loss of polytechnics and the role they had in HE, taking students with poor A levels ( i.e. me) and giving them good dedicated teaching and kicking them out the other end with a degree ( 2.2 or a bishop as it is known). I also had a free education and a student grant and I believe this is how it still should be and no, I am not a left wing socialist, more a right of middle of the road liberal.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Whats HE? you better explain or speak in terms that are understood by those less edjuacated...


im only glad ours can earn good money in good jobs with what looks like long term employment im not concerned about the future of the country production wise as ive done my bit on that front.

probably most are jealous of a job that pays better than theirs and is easier.

and others well they just dont have any job at all...

 

[penntor]

Higher Education

 

[penntor]

And a honours degree 2.2 is known as a bishop after Desmond Tutu.

 

[Highland Mule]

And a honours degree 2.2 is known as a bishop after Desmond Tutu.

Is that a regional thing or an age thing I wonder? Only ever heard one referred as a Desmond before. FWIW, a long time ago I was awarded a Geoff ;-).

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Whats HE? you better explain or speak in terms that are understood by those less edjuacated...


im only glad ours can earn good money in good jobs with what looks like long term employment im not concerned about the future of the country production wise as ive done my bit on that front.

probably most are jealous of a job that pays better than theirs and is easier.

and others well they just dont have any job at all...

I think, we need to put far more money and prioritise FE

 

[Bury the Trash]

I think, we need to put far more money and prioritise FE

Agree,Yes without doubt.
Different types tho, not just academic.

Others are warranted in saying the practical side is gone to the dogs ie. Apprenticeships aren't at all what they should be, or where, overburdened with paperwork aka computer logging of every detail, etc small business like say a garage employing just a handful of persons total won't and don't have the reserve or resource to make enough time to show that apprentice properly.
Off course what doesn't also help is the young peoples expectation of more money than that level of 'teaching' on the job would earn so they would need to be worked on mire basic things that would be commercial enough to earn £275 a week that they might expect.
Quite where the research costs will come from now we leave the EU...
Off topic .


Actually come to think of it.....there is one other journalist that I can think of who I would give house room, Lois Lane

 

[Bury the Trash]

Is that a regional thing or an age thing I wonder? Only ever heard one referred as a Desmond before. FWIW, a long time ago I was awarded a Geoff ;-).

Capes?

 

[Highland Mule]

Capes?

Hurst.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Hurst.

only took one minute to answer
Well done, it took lot of hard work i don't doubt. quite some achievement imo.



I see Mr Humprhys has a degree as well.....

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Off course what doesn't also help is the young peoples expectation of more money than that level of 'teaching' on the job would earn so they would need to be worked on mire basic things that would be commercial enough to earn £275 a week that they might expect.

I see the same with every new batch of grads at work. They think they're the best thing since sliced bread and worthy of a wage that's far higher than their actual value to the business. My sidekick, a particularly blunt Glaswegian, tends to reeducate them fairly quickly.

 

[penntor]

I see the same with every new batch of grads at work. They think they're the best thing since sliced bread and worthy of a wage that's far higher than their actual value to the business. My sidekick, a particularly blunt Glaswegian, tends to reeducate them fairly quickly.

When I finished my degree ( Chemistry and Biology) and started work I thought I knew more than I did and it was not about money. I learnt more working with two chemistry technicians who had both been research chemists in industry in the 50's and 60's and who had their then current jobs cruising to retirement and had forgotten more about practical chemistry than I have ever known. Shame both of them never made it to retirement, both dying of cancer first. Says a lot about H & S in the chemical industry in the 50's and 60's, both worked for big multi national companies and not small 'back street' companies.