Useless, Worthless University Courses?

bluebell

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At long long long last, the govt has decided to do something about these many cources and the job chances, pay? that students would get if they complete them? Time and time again we keep on hearing the massive skills shortage across all sectors of industry? why should it be that many thousands of studants on leaving university, further education cant find a job in the subject they took, then are sorely let down by what they may have to accept and the pay as well? But if they had been advised at the start?
 

Swarfmonkey

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Location
Hampshire
Time and time again we keep on hearing the massive skills shortage across all sectors of industry?

Something my engineering technicians at work are more than happy about. Shortage of skilled eng. techs. puts them in a strong position when it comes to negotiating pay rises. I can't see them wanting that situation to change any time soon!

why should it be that many thousands of students on leaving university, further education cant find a job in the subject they took, then are sorely let down by what they may have to accept and the pay as well? But if they had been advised at the start?

I have mixed feelings. On one hand they were let down by successive governments who BS'd that a degree, any degree, meant a glittering career post graduation. On the other hand they let themselves down by taking what they were being told at face value and not bothering to do any research on how employable a particular degree course would make them.
 

TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
At long long long last, the govt has decided to do something about these many cources and the job chances, pay? that students would get if they complete them? Time and time again we keep on hearing the massive skills shortage across all sectors of industry? why should it be that many thousands of studants on leaving university, further education cant find a job in the subject they took, then are sorely let down by what they may have to accept and the pay as well? But if they had been advised at the start?
The thing about university education is that apart from technical subjects it's about demonstrating an ability to assemble & assimilate information in order to produce a coherent argument rather than learning about the actual subject. It used to be that by having a degree you were able to prove that you either had parents with deep pockets or you had "the right stuff" to be doing a job above the level of the proles. The reality is that the value of a degree has been devalued by making them so ubiquitous, plus with the near commercialisation of the process has made it in the interest of the educational establishments to water down the targets in order to maximise the numbers. A friend of mine took a mickey mouse degree that only provided 7.5 hours of lectures/direct education per week... he only attended half of those & still managed a 2-1 whilst spending most of his time at uni smashed out of his skull!
 

Bloders

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Location
Ruabon
At long long long last, the govt has decided to do something about these many cources and the job chances, pay? that students would get if they complete them? Time and time again we keep on hearing the massive skills shortage across all sectors of industry? why should it be that many thousands of studants on leaving university, further education cant find a job in the subject they took, then are sorely let down by what they may have to accept and the pay as well? But if they had been advised at the start?
i dont think i disagree, but can you add a link to what you are referring to please?
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
The thing about university education is that apart from technical subjects it's about demonstrating an ability to assemble & assimilate information in order to produce a coherent argument rather than learning about the actual subject. It used to be that by having a degree you were able to prove that you either had parents with deep pockets or you had "the right stuff" to be doing a job above the level of the proles. The reality is that the value of a degree has been devalued by making them so ubiquitous, plus with the near commercialisation of the process has made it in the interest of the educational establishments to water down the targets in order to maximise the numbers. A friend of mine took a mickey mouse degree that only provided 7.5 hours of lectures/direct education per week... he only attended half of those & still managed a 2-1 whilst spending most of his time at uni smashed out of his skull!
He would have been better putting the £50K into a savings account, and getting smashed out of his skull for longer...
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
Part of the problem is that so much of our economy is dependant on students, so they will be encouraged to go to uni by the system in any way possible, and if a young person is told something they want to hear, they won't question it.
Very true, go somewhere like Sheffield and it's economy is all seems based on the Student pound.
 

nick...

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Arable Farmer
Location
south norfolk
A lot of the lazy youth of today go to university for a bit of a holiday knowing full well they will never pay back their dept.have a nephew done 3/4 years to get an art degree then went to Belgium to do a masters degree and the art he does is similar to what’s seen at a kindergarten.he now spends his time riding round the uk delivering stuff owning well over £40k.it will never get repaid
nick…
 

Boysground

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
There is nothing wrong with the right degree that gets you on the path to where you want to go. But there are plenty of useless degrees that will not give a career path at the end.
My daughter helped to pay for her degree by working as an ambassador for the uni. She would often have conversations with prospective students who didn’t know what they really wanted to do. Her answer was always do an “ology” or a proper degree.
She has a friend who did a Marketing degree, for her 3 years not one module was specific to her course she just went to lectures for other courses. She has left uni with next to nothing, but it’s ideal marketing for the uni as they have filled empty seats in a room and been paid the tuition fees to do it.

My kids are very different both have taken different paths. My son did agriculture and is now working for me having worked elsewhere for a few years, with the loan written off after so many years it is unlikely that he will ever pay it all back. My daughter on the other hand did law and she is on a mission to pay every penny back, because if she does that means she has become a lawyer and is earning a substantial salary. Currently she’s a para legal working in financial litigation, I just about understand what she does. She loves her job as much as my son does farming

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