User experience of these tractors

[fiatf130]

SLE?

 

[David.]

So is that 145 with boost activated?

 

[J 1177]

So is that 145 with boost activated?

Yep

 

[David.]

Cant quite make up my mind if it's a true 145 then tbh, I'm inclined to think if it as a true 120.
Makes pricing against rivals a bit confusing unless they all specify by the same method.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Cant quite make up my mind if it's a true 145 then tbh, I'm inclined to think if it as a true 120.
Makes pricing against rivals a bit confusing unless they all specify by the same method.

They certainly don’t all quote the same method of power measurement, NH quote boosted power whilst Case quote un boosted power for virtually the same tractor.

 

[daveydiesel1]

They certainly don’t all quote the same method of power measurement, NH quote boosted power whilst Case quote un boosted power for virtually the same tractor.

Dont like that about nh coz its not very often your gettin what it says on bonnet

 

[Tarw Coch]

Dont like that about nh coz its not very often your gettin what it says on bonnet

Whilst I don’t particularly like it, surely anyone with any sense who’s buying a tractor takes 5 minutes to look at the brochure and can see the difference between rated and boosted power so at least if comparing brands they can see the differences, I would hope there aren’t any reps out there that would try to convince customers that the boosted power is the one they should be looking at if changing up from an un boosted tractor, they might get a sale but will end up with an unhappy customer who probably won’t deal with them again, it certainly wouldn’t be good for long term business.
Once you’re used to boosted tractors it really is as simple as comparing the figures.

 

[Wellytrack]

I know it’s an awkward and unreasonable point of view may be but I don’t consider a variable power tractor one with extra power, rather I consider them one with the power turned back.

 

[michael N123]

I know it’s an awkward and unreasonable point of view may be but I don’t consider a variable power tractor one with extra power, rather I consider them one with the power turned back.

Newhollands are the worst for making you feel like all the powers going off and on

our T6 140 which is not a small tractor by any means just about dies when spreading muck some times you knock the spool off the boost light goes off turn at the headland then knock the spool back on there’s a delay the tractor does down then the light comes back on it’s pathetic. And plowing downhill you have boost but uphill you don’t ?!! Drive another newholland with a steinburgh box on it and it’s a completely different animal they should come fitted as standard
Valtra of the same size is miles better for field work

 

[daveydiesel1]

Whilst I don’t particularly like it, surely anyone with any sense who’s buying a tractor takes 5 minutes to look at the brochure and can see the difference between rated and boosted power so at least if comparing brands they can see the differences, I would hope there aren’t any reps out there that would try to convince customers that the boosted power is the one they should be looking at if changing up from an un boosted tractor, they might get a sale but will end up with an unhappy customer who probably won’t deal with them again, it certainly wouldn’t be good for long term business.
Once you’re used to boosted tractors it really is as simple as comparing the figures.

I had this out with a hire customer about 2 years ago. He was sure his t 7 200 was a 200 hp tractor and would be as good as our 6499 and i was sayin that it was only a tm155 in a mini skirt which can boost til 200 and a properly set up tm would pull the arse of a t7 in my opinion but he started to get cross so i just agreed with him. Customers always right lol

 

[ollandroverman]

I had this out with a hire customer about 2 years ago. He was sure his t 7 200 was a 200 hp tractor and would be as good as our 6499 and i was sayin that it was only a tm155 in a mini skirt which can boost til 200 and a properly set up tm would pull the arse of a t7 in my opinion but he started to get cross so i just agreed with him. Customers always right lol

If by the TM being " properly set up" you mean it had a spanner remap.....a tweaked T7 series is a very very different animal.

 

[daveydiesel1]

If by the TM being " properly set up" you mean it had a spanner remap.....a tweaked T7 series is a very very different animal.

Would it out pull the older larger capacity tm engine? I like older stuf way no emmissions stuf on it. Just a throttle cable and if ye need more power ye just screw her and its ther all the time not just when she takes a notion o boostin

 

[balerman]

I know it’s an awkward and unreasonable point of view may be but I don’t consider a variable power tractor one with extra power, rather I consider them one with the power turned back.

NH are wrong IMO in the way they badge their tractors,the Case way is right,just think of the boost as a bonus.This system suits me fine,i only need the extra power for baling and combi drilling,and it is there then,for ploughing I have 115hp in a relatively heavy tractor which suits me fine.I fully appreciate it doesn't suit everyone and NH are likely to have unhappy customers cos most people think the number on the bonnet is what they have when it isn't at all!

 

[Wellytrack]

NH are wrong IMO in the way they badge their tractors,the Case way is right,just think of the boost as a bonus.This system suits me fine,i only need the extra power for baling and combi drilling,and it is there then,for ploughing I have 115hp in a relatively heavy tractor which suits me fine.I fully appreciate it doesn't suit everyone and NH are likely to have unhappy customers cos most people think the number on the bonnet is what they have when it isn't at all!

Agree with that. In the case of NH it’s little more than a marketing tool.

 

[ollandroverman]

Would it out pull the older larger capacity tm engine? I like older stuf way no emmissions stuf on it. Just a throttle cable and if ye need more power ye just screw her and its ther all the time not just when she takes a notion o boostin

Although my experience of TM's is a few years ago now, I have spent plenty of time driving remapped John Deere 6430's and a particularly savage 6930 putting out a believed 250hp+ , plus a monstrously torquey Derv Doctored Puma, and i would say yes, no problem beating the output of the TM's Powerstar engine.
In the case of The Puma's NEF 6.7, the exact same engine comes from the factory in up to 400hp tune!

 

[cvx175]

NH are wrong IMO in the way they badge their tractors,the Case way is right,just think of the boost as a bonus.This system suits me fine,i only need the extra power for baling and combi drilling,and it is there then,for ploughing I have 115hp in a relatively heavy tractor which suits me fine.I fully appreciate it doesn't suit everyone and NH are likely to have unhappy customers cos most people think the number on the bonnet is what they have when it isn't at all!

It's just a number on the bonnet though? Did you buy a Ford 7610 thinking it was 610hp? Or John Deere 6930 hoping for 930? If you're going to spend the money that these tractors cost new without doing something as basic as finding out what power they are, salesmen selling them on boosted hp is a different matter, quite frankly you deserve what you get.

 

[balerman]

It's just a number on the bonnet though? Did you buy a Ford 7610 thinking it was 610hp? Or John Deere 6930 hoping for 930? If you're going to spend the money that these tractors cost new without doing something as basic as finding out what power they are, salesmen selling them on boosted hp is a different matter, quite frankly you deserve what you get.

They were different times when the numbers on the bonnet had no relation to hp,nowadays people do believe what is on the bonnet.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Well in theory a t7 185 should be same as a tm 14

Although my experience of TM's is a few years ago now, I have spent plenty of time driving remapped John Deere 6430's and a particularly savage 6930 putting out a believed 250hp+ , plus a monstrously torquey Derv Doctored Puma, and i would say yes, no problem beating the output of the TM's Powerstar engine.
In the case of The Puma's NEF 6.7, the exact same engine comes from the factory in up to 400hp tune!

In theory a unchipped t7 185 should be same as tm 140 screwed to 185 but its no where near the same. Chippin them gives them a big advantage but then to compare apples to apples the tm would then need a further screw to what the t7 185 wolud put out with chip and boost on. Still think tm would be fit for her

 

[cvx175]

They were different times when the numbers on the bonnet had no relation to hp,nowadays people do believe what is on the bonnet.

Nh went from the tm range with models with roughly the hp on the bonnet to the 6000/7000 ranges and people seemed to still be able to buy the right sized tractors?

 

[Drillman]

TM155 and Puma 155 here. And remember a Puma 155 is a red 6080 which was the direct replacement for TM155.

nothing in it on road or draft work.

Heavy PTO work the Puma with boost has the edge and hangs on better.

The TM has had the 10mm spanner remap and the Puma is factory spec.