essex man
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Agree, it's definitely a fat person's right to eat themselves into an early grave.
The desired level of Government intervention into people's personal risk is a line that people draw in different places.
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The desired level of Government intervention into people's personal risk is a line that people draw in different places.
Why are you confusing a virus pandemic with an addiction? Do you agree that restrictions on drug abuse should be lifted or the ban on drink driving should be dropped. Smoking is simply an addiction that has been severely reduced by education and restriction. The fact that most addictions contribute significantly towards an early end and have tenuous connection with a whole host of other diseases.
essex man
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I was replying to someone else.
essex man
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I'm not confused
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Don't you think that's part of the problem in all of this. How many people in the country are taking prescribed drugs on a daily basis this all leads to a misguided view that Medicine, Doctors and the NHS can let you live for ever and you don't have to take care of yourself. The Vaccine will let more people continue with their unhealthy lifestyles you only have to see the queues round the corners at every McDonalds to see that that people haven't used the threat of a Virus that attacks people with pre-existing conditions to have a go at a bit of self help.
So, I am obviously a leftie then whatever that infers, fair doos, each to their own..
But by way of clarity, the references used that you appear to have taken humbridge over, and cherry picked part out of was actually generalised about two different trades coming into homes during a pandemic - not simply plumbers, as they are both the ones you would potentially need, and as such, was simply used to highlight that staunch people's outwardly oppressive views and infringement towards others peoples freedom of choice are short lived when necessity dictated and they needed emergency assistance for their own personal gains.. but hey ho, people do not like to accept major flaws about us fickle humans that get proven time and time again.. c'est la vie....
Also, the concern I have with your kind of opposition and life choice per se, is that when talking about the people whom wish not to get the vaccination, or waiting... do you feel it wholely acceptable that you get to chose freely, of your own personal volition; what you can and cannot do and at times that suit you - but then, unreasonably; wish to force ones own insecurites upon others whom for whatever reason, decide not to take the vaccination, or wait....
Screams as a bit one sided, as you seem to want to do whatever you wish, when you wish and how you wish - but then feel comfortable in oppressing / condemning anyone who does not meet with your chosen directive..
Maybe another reason why I have issue with this mindset on this whole situation, is that I have again just come back in from collecting some items locally, and a nice old gentleman standing in front of me at the queue, no face mask on, couldnt give a rats about the rules or in your opinion the protection of others, then, to cap it off, all the cyclists standing about at the garage when I stopped in to collect some Ad Blue - no face masks, about 20 of them in the group one side of the road - numerous others on the other side doing similar - all standing together drinking coffee and laughing and jeering... and i'm the silly buggar who has his face mask on, keeping my distance and Im not in the real concernable age category per se... and yes, I do not wish to have the vaccination personally as the risk is something I think is on a level playing field to a lot of other things in life, so I am not stressing about it.... If on the pther hand something had a mortality rate of 80 - 90% of the population, and a vaccine was proven to be 80 - 90% effective, then I may choose differently, who knows, but we are an extremely long way from that with Covid..
You see, we can spout all the crap about losing out to Dr's and Dentists all you want, the loss of your rights etc and blame the ones whom choose not to have it - but the above just echoes that what I said earlier about humans is 100% accurate. They move onto the next thing to moan about when it suits..
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It may come as a suprise, but we do not all rush to the Doctors, or reach for pills etc with ailments.
A large number of people do and a percentage of them will refuse the vaccine. I have no idea how old you are or the condition of your health but I guarantee that one day you will put your life into the hands of a medical practitioner and you won`t question the treatment prescribed.
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And does rushing to indulge in medication for everything help us out long term, no it bloody well doesn't.
As a consequence of your obvious support to take medication at every whim, our biggest problem looming for long term health vs the sh!t a lot of people are worrying about here; is the lack of effective antibiotics in the med reserves, because more people will be dying of once treatable ailments, due to condoned over use of medicines when they served no use in the first instance...
Your smug attitude and a lack of knowledge of any health issues I may have makes your argument very hollow. Many people suffer from chronic illness which is extremely painful and in no way self inflicted. Congenital complaints which tend to increase in intensity with age fall into this category. Fortunately I am one of the lucky ones though my wife suffers from crippling arthritis and most of her family were plagued by allergies which go largely untreated and unexplained.
I see your statement changed, so I will add to clear your obvious uncertainty and or, purposeful reluctance to accept, that not all decisions in life are made due to not believing in the steps that have been taken in medicine over the years..
Age wise, I am 49 currently, and apart from Kidney stones being my only known condition - I feel on the whole I keep my head and health on the best course I can personally do in the situations that I meet with daily.
With regards to medication requirements as I age further - yes, no doubting that fact you raise, whereby I have never said differently, so not sure why you raise it, but what I do though, is refuse medicine that I deem unnecessary at the time, in the hope that when the inevitable comes, I may stand a better chance to see a positive benefit vs having swallowed every kind of medicine known to man just because it was on tap...
I can also say with 100% certainty that I have personally refused some treatments to date, so again - not everyone's view of medication is the same, and as I'm not telling you and others what you should and shouldn't take - I believe people should accept mine and other people's choices...
I accept what you say and to a great extent I would do the same. I simply made the point that most people do not question the medicines prescribed and in some cases they should. The fact is not all conditions are self inflicted and many are congenital and very painful and debilitating. My wife takes all sorts of quack remedies for her arthritis plus far too many pain killers for her own good but in her case and that of many others anything is worth a try to gain some respite.
Please can we not go down that route with your personal dig, as you are barking up the wrong tree completely there with that claptrap..
Obviously I will not post on here what I have personally endured, have encountered through my life thus far as it is personal, but rest assured - I am very well aware of the ins and outs of ailments, medical options / opinions, aftermath of medical negligence and the unfortunate passing of life at too young an age....
I have not made a comment to say I do not care about peoples health at any stage, but defended my personal choice, and that of others who wish to refrain from taking the vaccine, and that the ones who take it are more protected than I will allegedly be, which is my personal choice, not yours to make imho..
Charlie Gill
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Why do you wish to refrain from taking the vaccine?
I have already answered that question. No need to go over it again!
I have already stated on here quite categorically that people should have the choice. I have also pointed out that without vaccination some pathways will be barred to those without immunisation and there may be other consequences. It remains the choice of the individual. Where is the claptrap?
Charlie Gill
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I am bringing this up again to check if there were any excess deaths in 2020. Those sort of statements that it was just flu or a sore throat feed into the anti-vax narrative
Without restrictions and lockdowns we'd be looking at 3-400,000 deaths and an NHS meltdown
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We'll never know now so please don't state your wild assumptions as fact.