Vaderstad buys seedhawk

[Clive]

http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/vaders...ubscription&utm_content=#.UmOYlcbgwhU.twitter

Seems they think zero till might just catch on I reckon ?

 

[yellow belly]

good question

but could be financial reasons or owners wanting an exit strategy and retirement

 

[Brisel]

Do the Canadians do GMHT crops now? They help not-till work out.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Do the Canadians do GMHT crops now? They help not-till work out.

Not really. I don't feel a lack of in crop roundup is prevents me direct drill.

 

[Brisel]

I didn't say that it would prevent anything, but without cultivation weed control relies on herbicides more.

 

[tw15]

Don't show old weed seeds the light then they won't germinate also if they are left in the top inch of soil and not mixed in to deep they should of germinated so you can kill them with glyphosphate pre drill .
The seed hawk does look a nice bit of kit the best drill that verderstad have in their range and they had to buy into it .

 

[Steevo]

Surely this was to be a given at some stage? After their first move of part ownership in 2006, hence the reason behind Dale developing their own coulters.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I didn't say that it would prevent anything, but without cultivation weed control relies on herbicides more.

I don't view RR crops as that great shakes really. I can see why there is appeal but lots of these crops are spring sown (corn, soybeans) and any RR crop in the UK will probably be Wosr or WW and I think it would give more problems than it solves.
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[shakerator]

I don't view RR crops as that great shakes really. I can see why there is appeal but lots of these crops are spring sown (corn, soybeans) and any RR crop in the UK will probably be Wosr or WW and I think it would give more problems than it solves.
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i think the main question over RR cereals in the UK is

"which arrives first

RR cereals or RR blackgrass"

 

[Brisel]

I don't view RR crops as that great shakes really. I can see why there is appeal but lots of these crops are spring sown (corn, soybeans) and any RR crop in the UK will probably be Wosr or WW and I think it would give more problems than it solves.
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Having lived with multi resistant blackgrass, RR combinable crops would help out considerably. A few years later there might well be issues with glyphosate resistance but we need something else in the cupboard now.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Having lived with multi resistant blackgrass, RR combinable crops would help out considerably. A few years later there might well be issues with glyphosate resistance but we need something else in the cupboard now.

I'd give you 2-3 years before the job is screwed. Better to protect this useful cheap herbicide as best you can than flogging it. Other things would also help out considerably for example grass and 3 years of spring crops etc. why not try these options?

p.s. we won't get RR crops in the UK in this generation anyway I don't think

 

[Brisel]

I'd give you 2-3 years before the job is screwed. Better to protect this useful cheap herbicide as best you can than flogging it. Other things would also help out considerably for example grass and 3 years of spring crops etc. why not try these options?

p.s. we won't get RR crops in the UK in this generation anyway I don't think

You are right about us not getting RR crops any time soon.

The whole glyphosate resistance thing is debated in the Cropping forum so this isn't the place for it. I don't agree that it is comparable to fop & dim/ALS/aphid/pollen beetle resistance mechanisms though. I will keep flogging it but not cutting rates - at £2.55/litre it's just not worth scrimping on dose rates.

Getting back on topic, I tried a Seed Hawk drill. Very good bit of kit with some very good coulters. I can see why Dale didn't stray far from the Seed Hawk design when they had to come up with their own.

 

[SilliamWhale]

You are right about us not getting RR crops any time soon.

The whole glyphosate resistance thing is debated in the Cropping forum so this isn't the place for it. I don't agree that it is comparable to fop & dim/ALS/aphid/pollen beetle resistance mechanisms though. I will keep flogging it but not cutting rates - at £2.55/litre it's just not worth scrimping on dose rates.

Getting back on topic, I tried a Seed Hawk drill. Very good bit of kit with some very good coulters. I can see why Dale didn't stray far from the Seed Hawk design when they had to come up with their own.

Ok fair enough but i will say multiple low doses will lead to blackgrass resistance in no time and I think this multiple stale seedbed stuff is a deeply flawed strategy. If I kept hitting you on the head with a hammer would you ask me stop hitting you or take an aspirin to help numb the pain?

 

[shakerator]

sorry to prolong the off topic, but GM looks less likely to enter Europe anyway

http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/07/11/2013/141874/monsanto-unveils-eu-conventional-breeding-plans.htm

so it appears going forward hybrids are the "new" conventional

 

[Brisel]

@SilliamWhale - if you kept hitting me on the head with a hammer I'd eventually die. Hit me once with a sledgehammer & one tap would be enough.

Did I annoy you that much?

 

[Banana Bar]

Do Vaderstad still sell the Seed hawk?

 

[Brisel]

Yes, though it is not listed any more as it harms sales of Topdowns, Carriers and Rapids. Ask John Noble at CFM.

 

[SorenIlsoe]

Yes, though it is not listed any more as it harms sales of Topdowns, Carriers and Rapids. Ask John Noble at CFM.

I heard that a large Estate in Sweden asked for a Seed Hawk demo, but they was told by Vaderstad that they could not! And that the sale of Seed Hawks will stop in Europe!
I am sure that Vaderstad really fear the sale in the future will be one machine (Seed Hawk drill) and no other!

 

[dontknowanything]

I think I was told a couple of weeks ago they had stopped selling it. Source was a name mentioned a few posts back, although I may be misremembering.

 

[Wessland]

Checked on a Swedish Facebook group for farmers. Apparently there will be an sales interruption during 2017. Don't know why though.