Vaderstad Carrier
- Thread starter FarmboyJ
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Topdown has legs, a Carrier doesn't is the big difference. Carrier can be used to work very shallow if wanted and has more scope for spec info different disc types and packers, the Topdown can really only use different points on the tines then it's down to machine setup.
I have lots of clients with Carriers, they seem to love them, including a couple with the 'XL' bigger discs. Ideal for working shallow, mixing in residue well but not bringing up rubbish/black-grass from depth.
One problem I have found is that they often produce such a good finish on top, that you forget what is going on underneath! Looks great but still need to make sure it's not tight a bit deeper down.
One problem I have found is that they often produce such a good finish on top, that you forget what is going on underneath! Looks great but still need to make sure it's not tight a bit deeper down.
We have one, use it on all OSR stubbles as shallow as possible, twice, to get a good slug egg kill, and ahead of all spring crops on over wintered stubbles, crops Mzuri drilled. Excellent for volunteer chitting. Far better than any rake and can also use it as a shatter board roller replacement on spud ground. Very cheap machine to run due to speed of operation and minimal depreciation.
beaconsboy
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- south powys
Just bought a rolex short discs. Very pleased with it so far and a fraction of a vaderstad.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Going to be running a strip till drill from next spring, would you think a carrier could do the job of a rake and or a terra star? I'm thinking of using a carrier in place of a rake to get a chit and make a little crumb on top. They seem fairly good value second hand, even allowing for new discs.
A little time in the workshop and I'm sure a rake could be added in front of the discs for little cost.
coastalarableman
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- East Sussex
Buy a Proforge Inverta, half the price and does just as good a job
casemx 270
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- East midlands
We have one 6 .5 metre works really well with some moisture in the soil but when it's dry it's not heavy enough on heavy and gravelly soils. I ve been using it on our rape stubbles this year with the wet ground it's made a fair job, the packer roller can bounce a bit,oh the scrapers on our packer roller arnt very effective
The rake is more for straw unless you do it in the dry a few times to scratch a tilth. I will use my Carrier in the spring before drilling anything with a significant clay content just so there is loose soil around the seed.
The Carrier is very good but you're paying extra for the market leading discs of this type. The bearing housings on the pivots are a pain to rebuild with no bushes but not impossible as you cut out the bearing shells and weld new ones in. My only main criticism is that they aren't heavy enough but the newer ones have more steel on them.
We have a 6.5m carrier and as I mentioned previously, use it largely as a rake replacement, except it is far better in the autumn. In my experience rakes are a waste of time. In the spring, exactly as you suggest to create a friable crumb ahead of drilling. Over wintered stubbles following heavy rainfall are cloddy when strip drilling and a shallow pass will break the surface and allow good seed to soil contact without losing moisture. Carriers are expensive new, but their strong residuals are testament to how good they are and the reason for strong demand secondhand. Having owned and sold at least three Carriers I have learnt my lesson and will not be selling one again unless traded in for a new one.
binbusy
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- South Suffolk
Have had both types here, important to realise the major differences between the classic carrier and the new carrier L/XL.
New version is far heavier, doesn't bouch at speed and has a easier cleaner way of folding.
New version has a big on top ram to keep the tips of the wings working in the ground rather than allow on gravity.
Completely different machines.
New version is far heavier, doesn't bouch at speed and has a easier cleaner way of folding.
New version has a big on top ram to keep the tips of the wings working in the ground rather than allow on gravity.
Completely different machines.
If you've got bouncing on the older design Carriers then the drawbar isn't adjusted correctly. On a level yard, adjust the top link by the front of the drawbar so there is equal weight on the front and rear roller gangs. This makes a lot of difference as well as evening up the consolidation.
I have a 5m carrier with shatter boards behind the discs and have just been thinking(which can be dangerous!) about replacing the boards with a sabre tine assembly from weaving minus the coulter. I think they would clamp on the box section to do some low disturbance soil loosening perhaps? Discs work at say 2" max and legs a further 4" down which is how deep they will run I am told. What spacing would I need, discs would be in front to help with residue. If the legs will fit they could be folded out of the way like the paddles when not needed. The frame should be strong enough going on the amount of soil that the paddles can drag when levelling if needed? Probably run the carrier no more than 8km with legs in. Need to get one leg from weaving to try.
Thought please.......
I know what your saying Brisel, I have 240hp on it for this or 180hp but most of our land is medium to light and should not really be too compacted. I was thinking of a forward speed of 8km. I am after a wider machine to do some shallow soil loosening and then drill, can use the low disturbace subsoiler when needed but it is over kill on a lot of ground and only 3.2m wide. Do you think the narrow sabre tine from Weavings would do, what about spacing? No wings on the sabres, 15 legs 33cm apart or 18? There are 21 shatter boards on our 5m which can drag a lot of soil on ploughing sometimes, not often. The box section is surrounded by frame. But I am still mindful.
I've brought 250hp to a standstill on a 6.5m with the shatter boards down. Admittedly they were bulldozing pretty well. What are you thinking of? Take the boards off them fit a Sabre Tine to every other bracket as a start? How much trash will you have? Chopped straw or baled? If you want to go wider spacings & working deeper you'll have localised stress points on the frame.
Yes we have done the same with ours so hoping the box section and frame will be strong enough. Would take all the boards off and fit possibly 15 sabre tines. Sabre tines come with a bracket to clamp round box section with rubber shockers(shown on weaving site in price list section). We bale all cereal straw.