Valtra power beyond couplings

[valtraman]

Following g on from my fusion thread I’m probably needing power beyond fitted on my T154A, is anyone in the know how I can get round it without buying the whole kit. It’s about £1000 fitted. Anybody can post a picture on there one with power beyond couplings ? Thanks

 

[valtraman]

Nobody?

 

[Michael S]

I imagine that you already have the return line below the spools but above the trailer brake connection? The standard connection is a 1" male probe but I changed mine to a 3/4" because that has been the farm standard here for 30 years.

Above the spool connections is the supply line 3/4" female and the sensing line is to the left of the top link which is 3/8" female. If you want closer pictures I will try to remember take some in the next few days.

 

[valtraman]

Thanks yes I’m aware of that standard set up but hoping somebody could show me a different cheaper way than buying the whole slice kit

 

[kill]

Thanks yes I’m aware of that standard set up but hoping somebody could show me a different cheaper way than buying the whole slice kit

Having only know the John Deere power beyond system I can’t see how you can possibly run power beyond with out the valve slice as that’s the communications link of such.
just try running fusion on standard 1/2 pipe feed via a spool valve and put a 3/4 pipefor the return and kick spool out on the road and see how you get on as it will work just fine but will take a little more power but won’t actually hurt a thing

 

[valtraman]

Having only know the John Deere power beyond system I can’t see how you can possibly run power beyond with out the valve slice as that’s the communications link of such.
just try running fusion on standard 1/2 pipe feed via a spool valve and put a 3/4 pipefor the return and kick spool out on the road and see how you get on as it will work just fine but will take a little more power but won’t actually hurt a thing

Yes that’s what I have it rigged up just got it yesterday.

 

[Finn farmer]

Having only know the John Deere power beyond system I can’t see how you can possibly run power beyond with out the valve slice as that’s the communications link of such.
just try running fusion on standard 1/2 pipe feed via a spool valve and put a 3/4 pipefor the return and kick spool out on the road and see how you get on as it will work just fine but will take a little more power but won’t actually hurt a thing

Will pump and heat the oil needlessly. And if the pump is "stupid" (as it is in 8x50 Valtras for example) you'll need to cut the flow to the baler to operate the pickup etc.

 

[KB6930]

My knowledge of power beyond is limited to JD which has 2 ways of getting oil from it for power beyond the cheap way and the expensive way of putting another end slice on the bank.

From that photo above I'd hazard a guess that Valtra possibly needs the extra slice to make it work .

How do they pipe up a loader on these? If they're piped up to somewhere different to the slice on top you should just need to pipe into them fittings.

 

[kill]

Will pump and heat the oil needlessly. And if the pump is "stupid" (as it is in 8x50 Valtras for example) you'll need to cut the flow to the baler to operate the pickup etc.

I ran the first combo Baler on a 64 series Massey years ago for a season with open centre hydraulics and had to think carefully about lifting the pickup as it would stop the wrapper if that was running but other than that it ran it fine.

 

[valtraman]

Just tried it the way it’s setup on constant pump and won’t lift pick up at same time so looks definitely like I’m needing power beyond

 

[DrDunc]

Just tried it the way it’s setup on constant pump and won’t lift pick up at same time so looks definitely like I’m needing power beyond

Look at the rear spool couplers from above. There are pipes going into them from under the cab, at the bottom of the stack.

The large pipe is oil supply from the pump. Tee into this for the power beyond. Follow the thin hoses next to to that pipe, and see which one goes back to the pump. This is the load sensing control, tee into that and together with the 1" return beside the trailer brake connector, you've got the 3 needed for power beyond.

 

[valtraman]

Look at the rear spool couplers from above. There are pipes going into them from under the cab, at the bottom of the stack.

The large pipe is oil supply from the pump. Tee into this for the power beyond. Follow the thin hoses next to to that pipe, and see which one goes back to the pump. This is the load sensing control, tee into that and together with the 1" return beside the trailer brake connector, you've got the 3 needed for power beyond.

Thanks that sounds like it would work. Have u done this in same tractor ? Or would it be fairly standard setup on most things?

 

[valtraman]

Had a look and the feed pipe and small pipe are cable tied to each other going away in under can so take it that will be them. Only concern is tractor still under warranty etc to start tampering. Would the pressure be okay or will it be getting restricted if into proper spool? I like the sound of just teeing into these pipes but at same time I don’t want to go bugger up something

 

[KB6930]

Power beyond is just like adding another spool slice but not on the tractor iron the machine so in theory it'll be fine.
All it is is just a constant flow of oil going round till the load sensing send a signal back to the tractor when the baler demands oil . Just the same as when you pull a spool valve in the cab

 

[valtraman]

Thanks will speak to the dealer tomorrow see if they will do it that way for me. Could just make up some sort of bracket to mount the two new pipes and couplings

 

[DrDunc]

Thanks that sounds like it would work. Have u done this in same tractor ? Or would it be fairly standard setup on most things?

Haven't a need to do it to my Valtra, but it's exactly how my previous Deutz was plumbed in.

If you're worried about warranty, pay your dealer to tee in to the pipes and stick the outlets through a bracket?

Still be a big saving compared to valtra bits.

Valtra bits will probably allow oil sharing through priority valve, but don't think you'll need that unless you're wanting the lift arms to work while oil going to the power beyond?

Edit

Didn't see your last post ?

 

[KB6930]

Haven't a need to do it to my Valtra, but it's exactly how my previous Deutz was plumbed in.

If you're worried about warranty, pay your dealer to tee in to the pipes and stick the outlets through a bracket?

Still be a big saving compared to valtra bits.

Valtra bits will probably allow oil sharing through priority valve, but don't think you'll need that unless you're wanting the lift arms to work while oil going to the power beyond?

Edit

Didn't see your last post ?

Where's your loader plumbed into ?

 

[njneer]

Teeing into the main feed and returns would work ok Only thing I would say that you might need a T piece type check valve in the load sensing line.
Load sensing lines have a natural leak off to allow the pump,to,return to Standby . Simply teeing into the ls line may not work perfectly as there may be a delay getting the pump on stroke as the flow from the baler then has to overcome the natural leak off first.
A T piece with a two way check will prevent Pressure from other functions back feeding into the baler line and ensure that the ls line from the baler is isolated from the rest of the tractor When operating other functions.

 

[e3120]

Teeing into the main feed and returns would work ok Only thing I would say that you might need a T piece type check valve in the load sensing line.
Load sensing lines have a natural leak off to allow the pump,to,return to Standby . Simply teeing into the ls line may not work perfectly as there may be a delay getting the pump on stroke as the flow from the baler then has to overcome the natural leak off first.
A T piece with a two way check will prevent Pressure from other functions back feeding into the baler line and ensure that the ls line from the baler is isolated from the rest of the tractor When operating other functions.

Shuttle valve

 

[DrDunc]

Where's your loader plumbed into ?

Into first two of the three mid mount valve pipes. Loader valve block directs flow to front links/1st spool, or to the boom. Finger button on the armrest sets where oil goes to.

Tractor midmount valves control the load sensing pump, loader block is just an 8 way electric switchover.

I presume factory fit is the same arrangement if you've specified it with mid mount valves(?) I bought the tractor second hand and fitted a quicke q5m.