Never knew any different to Deere balers always thought they were the bees knees until the 854 turned up here hideous thing couldn't do a roll of net without chucking at least half a dozen loose ones, plus u could never get plenty weight in them , you live and learn and end up with a vicon RV 52xx series and find out what a good baler is.I know people always say that but we have run 3 models over the last 30 years with no issues. The upgrade to the 4th last year is best not spoken about though...