Vegan trend - all bad ? or maybe there are positives ?

mo!

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York
Absolute garbage old fella.
Brit born African descent players making it because they've got role models? No. It's because they can.
Anyway, I thought football here is stuffed with players from overseas, who grew up in poor countries, and come here to play.
And i'll wager it;s the money and lifestyle which has brought them, not role models.

Are you telling me that Ethiopian and N Kenyan marathon runners succeed because they've got more time on their hands than those from Nepal?
Or that it's never occurred to a Peruvian to run fast?
The altitude certainly seems to be an element, but it's hard to read it any other way than that there are people in that area who're given to be able to run long distances faster than the rest of us.

Soviet Union era Russian gymnasts were taken as kids and put through damaging extreme training to satisfy national honour - I believe it's well documented.
As for their shot putters and the like, i couldn't tell you why it was a sport they've done well in. (i'm really not very interested in sports)
I recall there was -and still is- plenty of allegations about russian athlete performing 'unexpectedly well' in some disciplines.
i suspect it's nothing to do with race - the racial diversity within the Russian Federation -if thats what they're called now- is notably significant.

Of course Indians proclivity toward cricket is cultural .

If you want to cling to some idea that there are no physiological differences between races, that's your privilege I suppose.

PS A fella i know had a long and successful career training folk to a very particular high level of fitness.
And despite the organisation he worked for being absolutely committed to 'inclusive' policy, he assured me that some ethnic groups adapted to the training very much better than others.
To the extent that almost none came from one group i won't identify. It was as simple as that, and his job had to be blind to it looking from both angles.
(and it was nothing to do with swimming, or being able to run fast...)
I never said there aren't racial differences, you don't see many Japanese basket ball players for instance. Many of the differences in sporting achievements are cultural, as you have described. Russians had male shot putters as well as those competing as female.

Why are there no Inuit beach volleyball players?
 

egbert

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I never said there aren't racial differences, you don't see many Japanese basket ball players for instance. Many of the differences in sporting achievements are cultural, as you have described. Russians had male shot putters as well as those competing as female.

Why are there no Inuit beach volleyball players?

I could ask if you like -i know one or two as it goes.

And i recall the gender of some russian shot putters was part of the allegations!
 

Crofter64

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Quebec, Canada
none of my comments were about race- they were about cultural eating habits. Namely that vegetarian / vegan diets don’t seem to produce the strength needed for arduous sport competion. Veganism is weakening rather than strengthening. Sadly, there does not seem to be much to say to the climate change/ save the planet/ vegan group that they will listen to. they feel that Their position is morally superior and they are so enlightened that they are willing to change their diet to prove it.
 

delilah

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radio 4 Farming Today doing veganism every day this week. Kicked off this morning with a lengthy interview with a lady from the Vegan Society. No-one giving the other side, just theirs. No doubt there will be someone on later in the week putting the case for livestock in a sustainable food system, but the damage is already done. By kicking off with just one side of the discussion, anything else will be heard by the listening public as being on the defensive.

Once again this begs the question, where are the NFU ? Their communications team must surely have the ear of Charlotte Smith et al ? Why weren't they ensuring the livestock side was given equal air time in the introductory debate ? Looking at it from the outside you can only conclude it's because they aren't trying as hard as the Vegan Society.
 

jondear

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Devon
radio 4 Farming Today doing veganism every day this week. Kicked off this morning with a lengthy interview with a lady from the Vegan Society. No-one giving the other side, just theirs. No doubt there will be someone on later in the week putting the case for livestock in a sustainable food system, but the damage is already done. By kicking off with just one side of the discussion, anything else will be heard by the listening public as being on the defensive.

Once again this begs the question, where are the NFU ? Their communications team must surely have the ear of Charlotte Smith et al ? Why weren't they ensuring the livestock side was given equal air time in the introductory debate ? Looking at it from the outside you can only conclude it's because they aren't trying as hard as the Vegan Society.
Thought exactly the same X 2 like!
 

Crofter64

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Quebec, Canada
All I know is that this surge in veganism is bloody depressing at this time of year when you work seven days a week caring for your animals to give them the best life possible !So that fanatics can spread their lies and agenda usually with a book or program to promote.
Fortunately, there are still the majority whodo eat meat. I think that word will get out about what farmers are doing right sooner than later. We are now living through a period of heightened emotion and hyperbole- I think veganism etc is the flavour of the month. Within ayear or two the focus will be on something else. In the meantime,I agree, it is a bit discouraging to work each and everyday at something you love to do and know is extremely important but the pay price and attitudes out there don’t reflect it. Too bad we can’t all be ‘ manure artists’ and get vast amounts of money for selling bits of wall, doors, clothing sprayed with cow dung- in a creative way , mind you, which reflects the state of our societies atm.
 

Paddington

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You may not like Piers Morgan but he is providing some balance into the vegan argument unlike the NFU which hasn't really got any spokesperson to catch the nation's attention. Now Jeremy Clarkson owns a farm, he could be paid by the NFU to push for a meatfebruary, perhaps
(Just thought is he still banned from the BBC ? Oh,and he did once bop Piers on the nose)
 

ISCO

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North East
You may not like Piers Morgan but he is providing some balance into the vegan argument unlike the NFU which hasn't really got any spokesperson to catch the nation's attention. Now Jeremy Clarkson owns a farm, he could be paid by the NFU to push for a meatfebruary, perhaps
(Just thought is he still banned from the BBC ? Oh,and he did once bop Piers on the nose)

Piers Morgan is the only person I see defending farmers at the moment, he is not afraid to point out the hypocrisy of the Vegan diet.

He had Chris Peckham on GMB today along with a chef who grew up on a dairy farm defending meat eating but only from extensive grazed systems.
 

JP1

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A vegan couple almost starved their baby son to death by feeding him formula made from potatoes because it matched their beliefs, police say. Robert Buskey, 31, and Julia French, 20, were arrested in Titsuville, Florida, Wednesday after their five month-old baby was found weighing just eight pounds eight ounces. The boy, who weighed seven pounds nine ounces at birth, had been switched from doctor recommended cows’ milk formula to a potato mix that was ‘consistent with their vegan lifestyle.’ Vegan Robert Buskey is accused of almost starving his five month-old baby son to death by ignoring doctors’ recommendations and feeding the infant a potato-based formula (Picture: Brevard County Jail) But that changeover had left him with sunken eyes, loose skin and protruding ribs, with the infant having so little energy he was unable to move. Lauren Watson, of Titsuville Police told WFTV9: ‘I’ve never seen a child to this level; this close to possible death. Mother 'said she loved boyfriend too much to tell cops he was battering baby to death' ‘At one point, when the child was doing good and healthy and gaining weight, he was on an organic formula and they changed it on their own French is said to have ignored doctor’s advice and fed her son a mashed-potato based formula after finding the recipe on the internet. Police say she and Buskey had the means to feed the baby properly, and were unable to provide an excuse as to why they had not done so. The child’s mother Julia French is said to have found the mashed potato formula recipe through an online search (Picture: Brevard County Jail) According to WFTV9, the child had gained half a pound by Thursday, just by being given fluids by hospital staff. He is now in care of the state. Busky and French have so far been charged with neglect causing great harm, and could face further charges. Both are being held in Brevard County Jail ahead of their next court appearance.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/15/vega...ng-formula-made-potatoes-8642376/?ito=cbshare
 

Scribus

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Central Atlantic
I currently have a Facebook acquaintance on a vegan charity bike ride in India.

He put up a picture yesterday of him with Indian villagers.

It was rather awkward as he looked significantly more malnourished than the penniless Indians he was supposed to be helping.

A friend who used to travel out there fairly frequently was convinced the best way to avoid the squits was not to touch the meat.
 

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