Vegans the cause of loss of UK's lovely meadows !!!

[Pilatus]

News headlines in a few years to come "Centuries old English meadow ploughed up to provide crops to feed vegans".!!!!


No animals, no lovely grass natural flower meadows, because animals are needed to graze the lovely meadows.
Please correct me if I am the head scratching thick one.

 

[matthew]

More likely that rain forests are felled to grow soya for them.

 

[Raider112]

News headlines in a few years to come "Centuries old English meadow ploughed up to provide crops to feed vegans".!!!!


No animals, no lovely grass natural flower meadows, because animals are needed to graze the lovely meadows.
Please correct me if I am the head scratching thick one.

You can add the loss of managed hedgerows, ground nesting birds, insects due to more spraying and loss of carbon due to ploughing to that.

 

[MF 168]

There were a few vegans on a tv show here last night and the main speaker likened a beef farmer selling his cattle for food the same as killing his own children for food. A member of the audience spoke up and mentioned about the hills and mountains in the west of Ireland needing sheep and such to keep them grazed and tidy and beautiful and scenic looking for tourists but the vegans just rubbished him. Something vegans don't seem to be able to grasp is where will the land come from to feed all the existing animals and at the same time feed a plant dependent human population?. I've spent some time on face ache tackling them on this and I might as well be banging my head off the wall. They blame farmers and animals for all the environmental problems of the world. However for any of you interested in tackling the bs of these dangerous nuts I've found challenging them on hunger in 3rd world countries and why don't they use their money to get food shipped to the starving people there instead of spending huge sums on anti farming propaganda shuts them down straight away. A friend was telling me the other day that he likes using the "so you support Monsanto sprayed and GM grown crops" argument and finds it generally drives the vegans mad because they can't deny it and it shows them up as not altogether as environmentally friendly as they might lead some to believe. Burying our heads in the sand with these people isn't an option. Sorry if I'm ranting a bit, I've spent some time reading up the posts and threads on FB from vegans and it would make your blood boil.

 

[Pilatus]

I expect vegans are also “pacifists”,
also an ideal world.

 

[texelburger]

You can add the loss of managed hedgerows, ground nesting birds, insects due to more spraying and loss of carbon due to ploughing to that.

You can also add all the loss of insects that live off the animals such as Dung beetles etc and the fact that no dung is equates to a loss of vital organic matter being added to the soil.The planet would become lifeless and,contrary to what they say,would have a huge negative impact on the environment.

 

[CornishTone]

There’s a storm on Twitter at the moment around #febudairy to counter #veganuary.

And the Vegans do not like it one little bit!

Seems ok for them to shamelessly promote their agenda, but not ok to promote an omnivorous menu choice!

 

[MF 168]

There’s a storm on Twitter at the moment around #febudairy to counter #veganuary.

And the Vegans do not like it one little bit!

Seems ok for them to shamelessly promote their agenda, but not ok to promote an omnivorous menu choice!

Well I hope that the dairy men and women don't back down on this. It would be the ideal come back and at the same time put it up to the vegans that the farmers of this world aren't going to take this crap laying down any longer. I must tell the brother about this, he's a dairy man. Can't stand cows myself, using up good land that I could plough

 

[capfits]

There’s a storm on Twitter at the moment around #febudairy to counter #veganuary.

And the Vegans do not like it one little bit!

Seems ok for them to shamelessly promote their agenda, but not ok to promote an omnivorous menu choice!

You are as bad as each other.
Grow up and just respect the choices of others.

 

[CornishTone]

You are as bad as each other.
Grow up and just respect the choices of others.

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with their choice. They can eat whatever the hell they like. My problem is their determination to dictate to me what I should eat and the morals to go along with it! Not only that, the lies and spin they peddle to justify their position!

 

[Douglasmn]

Not a fan of the know it all do gooder vegan types. Not a fan at all. Also like farming cattle and seeing them happy outside grazing in the fields. My favourite food is definitely sirloin steak. That said I don't feel good about eating meat. No way I could walk out to the field and cut the throat of one of the cattle and see the life and blood drain out of it. Also the conditions of so many farm animals around the world is horrific. I wonder if knowing this yet still eating meat makes me as hypocritical as some of the do gooder vegans.

 

[Pond digger]

Not a fan of the know it all do gooder vegan types. Not a fan at all. Also like farming cattle and seeing them happy outside grazing in the fields. My favourite food is definitely sirloin steak. That said I don't feel good about eating meat. No way I could walk out to the field and cut the throat of one of the cattle and see the life and blood drain out of it. Also the conditions of so many farm animals around the world is horrific. I wonder if knowing this yet still eating meat makes me as hypocritical as some of the do gooder vegans.

Just makes you human, I think.

 

[Bruce Almighty]

I saw a quiz show the other day, Tofu translated means


Rotten beans

 

[Henarar]

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with their choice. They can eat whatever the hell they like. My problem is their determination to dictate to me what I should eat and the morals to go along with it! Not only that, the lies and spin they peddle to justify their position!

spot on

 

[Muck Spreader]

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with their choice. They can eat whatever the hell they like. My problem is their determination to dictate to me what I should eat and the morals to go along with it! Not only that, the lies and spin they peddle to justify their position!

They don't have any morals. They have decided that a class of animals (farm) should be eradicated and not exist for their own selfish reasons. IMO the most important thing with any farmed animal is the quality of life it has, the fact that it's carcass is a food source means it has a genuine purpose for existing, which is more than can be said for many humans.

 

[Timmy_45]

Just makes you human, I think.

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Not a fan of the know it all do gooder vegan types. Not a fan at all. Also like farming cattle and seeing them happy outside grazing in the fields. My favourite food is definitely sirloin steak. That said I don't feel good about eating meat. No way I could walk out to the field and cut the throat of one of the cattle and see the life and blood drain out of it. Also the conditions of so many farm animals around the world is horrific. I wonder if knowing this yet still eating meat makes me as hypocritical as some of the do gooder vegans.

I differ on that one, I have no qualms about shooting a deer, slitting it's throat, gutting it, then chopping it up and eating it. I've got a freezer full of vension. I don't home slaughter sheep, but not because I wouldn't. In my view it's just the pattern of life and death. We eat our own lamb. It's lovely.

 

[Timmy_45]

Btw, my wife has some 'right on' city friends from her days in University, she related the above to them and was in stitches after about the look on their faces...." ....he did what to a deer?" but these are the same people who go on about being organic and into free range/natural foods. You don't get much more organic and free range than a wild deer do you?

 

[Treg]

Took 2 Vegans on a tour round my farm last summer, I've a Organic pedigree Beef shorthorn suckler herd all grass farm . They were surprised to see cows with calves on them (because they thought all calves were removed from their mothers at birth ). Explained to them that Beef shorthorns had got down to 250 breeding females in the past & had become a vulnerable breed at one point, they hadn't even thought about there being different breeds of cow & if there was no point keeping them they'd die out.
They pointed out that it took alot of land to look after afew cows & wouldn't it be more productive growing Veg - Brilliant!
My farm is surrounded by Veg! I could point out to them the fields that the soil was like cardboard because it's been continuously been cropped , no organic matter being returned to the soil. Could also point to fields where the crops had failed because the soil has become so poor - They were shocked, one is a plant breeder for a Veg seed company so understood exactly what I was saying.
We then got into a conversation about mixed farming , which they fully understood & they asked why I wasn't growing any Veg in rotation with grassland so explained that I couldn't compete with the big growers & would need extra machinery, again they fully understood the economics of this.
They wrote me a letter thanking me for showing them round the farm & seeing the cows
I don't think they went away & started eating meat but certainly went away less anti farmer.

 

[Douglasmn]

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I differ on that one, I have no qualms about shooting a deer, slitting it's throat, gutting it, then chopping it up and eating it. I've got a freezer full of vension. I don't home slaughter sheep, but not because I wouldn't. In my view it's just the pattern of life and death. We eat our own lamb. It's lovely.

Fair play to you. Somehow a wild animal I find different. Cattle on the farm are friendly and inquisitive. No way I could one day cut their throats and butcher them. I eat beef every other day though...so when I think about it it is quite hypocritical of me.

 

[Timmy_45]

I think as long as they are killed quickly/humanely that's the key thing. We used to have cattle so I know what you mean. Mind you sheep are surprisingly curious too. It's pigs I feel a bit bad about, they are the only farm animals I find to be truly smart, the only ones where I reckon they know what's going on when they go off for slaughter. Luckily the smell of cooking bacon soon overwhelms my guilt though.