Vets /Doctors

Longlowdog

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
My wife had a life threatening d.v.t which was found by A+E staff, her tremor was spotted by an A+E doctor who suggested she approach her doctor and thus her Parkinson's disease was found so @Kidds I'll have to agree to disagree in opinions regarding the NHS.
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
My wife had a life threatening d.v.t which was found by A+E staff, her tremor was spotted by an A+E doctor who suggested she approach her doctor and thus her Parkinson's disease was found so @Kidds I'll have to agree to disagree in opinions regarding the NHS.
Same hospital.

Of course I am not suggesting they don't do good work, there are fantastic people in there but the bad side is pretty bad.
 

toquark

Member
The NHS will never have enough money, permanently be in "crisis", and constantly be plagued by long waiting times leading to poor point of care service when compared with comparative nations. The mixed public/private model they have more or less everywhere else across Western Europe and English speaking nations (excluding the US) is far superior and usually cheaper for everyone.

Not saying that the doctors and nurses don't do good work, but the model is outdated rubbish dreamed up by the same lot who decided they'd be better at mining coal, building ships, making steel and building cars.
 

bluebell

Member
Yes i cant see the NHS in its currant form lasting much longer, nor the whole welfare state ? When all this was set up just after ww2 1945 the world, society in general was a whole different place? One thing, the welfare state was ment to be a safety net to help people in hard times, not a way of life to life on? Same as the Asylum rules and the granting of? that was set up after WW2, never was at the time imagined to be used in the way it is used today ? All these rules, laws, need urgently overhauled, abolished etc and brought up to date for todays world not yesterdays?
 

Flatlander

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lorette Manitoba
Yes i cant see the NHS in its currant form lasting much longer, nor the whole welfare state ? When all this was set up just after ww2 1945 the world, society in general was a whole different place? One thing, the welfare state was ment to be a safety net to help people in hard times, not a way of life to life on? Same as the Asylum rules and the granting of? that was set up after WW2, never was at the time imagined to be used in the way it is used today ? All these rules, laws, need urgently overhauled, abolished etc and brought up to date for todays world not yesterdays?
Too many sponging off a small tax paying base. Health service does well with the resources they have. Ye it’s out dated but if you haven’t the means to pay private it’s a lot better than the alternative. Shame Enoch powels speech wasn’t look at in a long term prospective. Sure it would have had less pressure on the welfare system had it been. And before the race police start sharpening their spears I have friends here from many religions,countries and colours Difference is they work for what they have.
 

puppet

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
You could give the NHS all the money and it still would need more. It's a political black hole, and needs reimagining as a provider of basic care, and let insurance cover the luxuries.
What treatment would be in the luxury category?
A new hip if you can still walk?
Lowering cholesterol because your father had a heart attack?
Straightening your nose because it feels blocked?
Giving you £10,000 of chemotherapy to give you 6 extra months?
 

penntor

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
sw devon
When the NHS was set up there were no complex operations/treatments that we consider routine today, e.g. heart transplants. These operations are life savers for people but are expensive and soak up a lot of money.
And then we have the GP's, that is an area that really needs sorting out. Most of the GP's at my surgery ( partners, not locums) only work a three day week. This funding model wants sorting out to stop the partners giving themselves nice salaries and then employing cheaper locums to cover their work.
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
What treatment would be in the luxury category?
A new hip if you can still walk?
Lowering cholesterol because your father had a heart attack?
Straightening your nose because it feels blocked?
Giving you £10,000 of chemotherapy to give you 6 extra months?
I owe my life to the NHS at 27 months i had a terrible accident and for the next 6 years spent over half my life in hospital, so should be here defending it to my last breath
Sadly not, i woke up 20 years ago , not literally but having rolled my car , i was whisked to A&E after a quick look over I was discharged to find my way home in a confused state, thankfully my wife had just arrived to find me wondering around the car park .
4 weeks later after serious pain i was x rayed to discover i had broken my neck, 3 times, thankfully i survived..
I would have forgiven the NHS for this “minor slip” even though my scalp was full of blood and glass.
However what happened ten years ago is unforgivable.
I cannot go into details as the person conceren has asked me not to.
Let me say that 2 years later a similar occurrence a baby died and the hospital was castigated.
Now I am assured protocols have not changed!
They are arrogant arseholes who run tge system
 
The biggest threat to public safety would be charging 25 quid for a doctor visit or 50 quid for A+E as there are still regrettably folk for whom that would be too much. Yes there are dole dossers but there are also folk who fall through the benefits system. I've been there in my youth. Often it is decent folk who aren't trained in manipulating the system or strong enough/obnoxious enough enough to make their case heard.
On a holiday across the pond I was out shooting with my mate when his son phoned and said he felt ill. It chills me to this day when I think of his father's reply. He said 'are you sure you're really sick, we don't have 200 bucks spare just now'. I'd dread to think of anyone having to say anything similar to that to their child in this country.

Its' the law, if you present at A&E you will see a doctor and receive treatment, cannot be turned away, money or no money.
 
must admit i want to sing the NHS praises but i just cant, last time i rang the surgery i was greeted with a rather snooty woman insisting that i must leave a message on the other option and they would call back. good job my hand wasn't in a baler. been fairly pee'd off with them since then. do you never think my god what a grotty depressing place hospitals are ? WE pay for this service --- big time ..... yet when we ask for it it like we are a problem. i think there is a massive lack of comprehension between the from line and the bosses, that said i did have a very dramatic lady take my blood a few moths ago insisting she was literally putting her life on the line doing that single job and that she was undervalued ? we all take risks every day more so in agriculture. a good few years ago i had issue with bone alignment not a massive problem it was little sore but you could live with it. i was being offered physiotherapy , mental health correctional footwear, blood tests ... always blood tests. but it took 10 years and many many appointments / sessions and general rubbish to get offered a very simple operation to fix this issue. the new thing in out sergey is self check in system.. ffs there's like 8 people an hr max and a lady begind the desk ... if she cant smile and ask ours names as we pass heading to the seating area then we are really f**ked. truth is the NHS has no one in controle just lots of people following other people following other people following other people being told by people who cant see what the other people are doing. its nuts
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
AskmyGP. NHS 111.
What a joke.
Just fob you off with an email saying it's mechanical or self limiting.
What are GP's actually doing at the moment? Surprised they have many patients left.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Wife got conjunctivitis. At one time you went to the chemist and they gave you some eye ointment. Job done.
Now "we don't sell that anymore" like every other chemical that worked. So you have to run the gauntlet of AskmyGP. Photographs the works. And best be quick becasue they close it down at midday everyday. Then if they do answer they fob you off with some rubbish like its "self limiting" or "mechanical".
Plenty of locums from the university of some far away place nobody has ever heard of, awarded a degree by their uncle for all we know. One was busy misdiagnosing my Mrs for another complaint when by chance one of the permanent staff overheard the consultation in passing and intervened before my wife was prescribed drugs which would have been harmful and useless.
Another one came out to do my Dads death certificate and asked us what to write on it as they were clueless. In the end we gave up trying to explain what a metastatic melanoma was and we settled on kidney failure as those were the last organs that packed in and put him over the edge, which was a bit like saying that Concorde crashed because it hit the ground. But that is as bright as these people are.
 

Top Tip.

Member
Location
highland
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kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Its' the law, if you present at A&E you will see a doctor and receive treatment, cannot be turned away, money or no money.
I think the idea is they keep you alive long enough to be presented with a bill isn't it?
If everyone gets treated why is health insurance so important there?

A week after my last season in the US I had an infected appendix and had to have it removed. I was in NZ at the time and had it done for free as they have a reciprocal agreement with the UK (wasn't a kiwi back then) When I woke up after surgery I realised that I'd just done 6 months in the US with no health insurance, completely forgot to get it.
I wonder how big a bill I'd have had if I had needed my appendix out 2 weeks earlier?
 
I think the idea is they keep you alive long enough to be presented with a bill isn't it?
If everyone gets treated why is health insurance so important there?

A week after my last season in the US I had an infected appendix and had to have it removed. I was in NZ at the time and had it done for free as they have a reciprocal agreement with the UK (wasn't a kiwi back then) When I woke up after surgery I realised that I'd just done 6 months in the US with no health insurance, completely forgot to get it.
I wonder how big a bill I'd have had if I had needed my appendix out 2 weeks earlier?

People who are on medicaid (low income) never get a bill, if retired and on medicare you may get a small co-pay bill.
You may have been billed for your deal, chances are if you call them up after being billed with a bit of negotiation you could get 50% knocked off, one thing, you would receive good service.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
People who are on medicaid (low income) never get a bill, if retired and on medicare you may get a small co-pay bill.
You may have been billed for your deal, chances are if you call them up after being billed with a bit of negotiation you could get 50% knocked off, one thing, you would receive good service.
From my one quick trip to the hospital to get my hand stitched up (had insurance that year) I agree about the service, it was excellent, it was pretty empty the day I went. Not something I've seen from a NHS hospital.
 
Location
Cheshire
From what I know, NHS are good at acute a&e. Something more long term then it’s worth knowing someone on the inside to get an appointment. “They look after their own” is what I’ve been told, in sickness and in health.
 

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