Voter ID

Y Fan Wen

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Location
N W Snowdonia

Several Republican states in the USA are introducing 'Jim Crow' legislation making it harder for voters to successfully cast their vote.
No surprise that this Tory govt are following in their footsteps.

 

milkloss

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex

Several Republican states in the USA are introducing 'Jim Crow' legislation making it harder for voters to successfully cast their vote.
No surprise that this Tory govt are following in their footsteps.

I'm not sure the "Jim Crow' legislation is a fair description. A little too much msnbc or cnn I think!

basically you need id to get a driving licence, rent a property, board a plane, buy grog etc etc in the States...... I don't think requiring id to vote is such a bad thing.
 

Several Republican states in the USA are introducing 'Jim Crow' legislation making it harder for voters to successfully cast their vote.
No surprise that this Tory govt are following in their footsteps.

Ots nothing like the Democratic party's jim crow laws the states that are doing it will be giving free id to any one who needs one we've had it in Northern Ireland for years to me it is a good thing
 

Bongodog

Member
What? You can vote in parts of the UK without proving your identity and eligibility?😱 That seriously cheapens the value of the vote!
Turn up at the polling station, quote a valid name and address and they hand you a ballot paper, don't need the poll card you receive in the post, nor any form of ID. Also its perfectly possible to register to vote in more than one place.
Postal voting, all you have to do is sign the form, no one checks the signatures.

If a less developed country had such a lax voting system, International monitors would declare it farcical.
 

Ashtree

Member
Surprised this
Turn up at the polling station, quote a valid name and address and they hand you a ballot paper, don't need the poll card you receive in the post, nor any form of ID. Also its perfectly possible to register to vote in more than one place.
Postal voting, all you have to do is sign the form, no one checks the signatures.

If a less developed country had such a lax voting system, International monitors would declare it farcical.
Crikey….apart at all from the clearly undemocratic FPP system, you have yet another layer of barstewardisation of a free and fair election.

Unf**kingbelievable….…..
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
As someone who works in a polling station when appropriate , I would think the level of personation is minute, to the level that it is not worth considering.
However the level of fraud in postal voting is something that should be of serious concern to all. There is far too little checking of these.
At a physical vote fraud is instantly apparent, if the genuine voter turns up and finds their vote has been used. There is absolutely no check on who is voting when it comes to postal votes
 

Bongodog

Member
As someone who works in a polling station when appropriate , I would think the level of personation is minute, to the level that it is not worth considering.
However the level of fraud in postal voting is something that should be of serious concern to all. There is far too little checking of these.
At a physical vote fraud is instantly apparent, if the genuine voter turns up and finds their vote has been used. There is absolutely no check on who is voting when it comes to postal votes
Years ago getting the electoral register forms completed was an extra job for local govt officers, they covered their home patch so fraud was difficult, likewise they acted as poll clerks at their local polling station. Nowadays when I vote I don't have a clue who the polling station staff are. The more rural the constituency the less likely fraud is. In the cities it would be impossible to prevent.
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
Years ago getting the electoral register forms completed was an extra job for local govt officers, they covered their home patch so fraud was difficult, likewise they acted as poll clerks at their local polling station. Nowadays when I vote I don't have a clue who the polling station staff are. The more rural the constituency the less likely fraud is. In the cities it would be impossible to prevent.
There are checks though, but the problem would be apparent if people turned up to vote and found it had already been cast.
I certainly have seen a couple of strange things, but nobody has come in to vote to find that somebody has already cast one in there name. The presence of tellers will also help deter personation.
However to be fair I was in a country polling stations and it may well be very different in the cities. However if I wanted to commit fraud I would use the postal vote system as it is obviously wide open to fraud and voter ID will do nothing to check it!
 

PaulNix

Member
Location
Cornwall
Several Republican states in the USA are introducing 'Jim Crow' legislation making it harder for voters to successfully cast their vote.
No surprise that this Tory govt are following in their footsteps.

Maybe you can enlighten us as to why showing ID at the time of polling is a bit deal ?

I can clearly see the benefit showing ID but I can't see any downsides to it, if anything there should be more restrictions placed on postal/absent voting as that is wide open to abuse.
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Maybe you can enlighten us as to why showing ID at the time of polling is a bit deal ?

I can clearly see the benefit showing ID but I can't see any downsides to it, if anything there should be more restrictions placed on postal/absent voting as that is wide open to abuse.
The big issue is a libertarian issue as we do not need ID.
Then there is also the issue as to the cost, and the perception that it discriminates against the poorer sections of society predominantly labour voting in the inner cities, who do not need driving licences.
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Do the french need to show their ID card at polling stations?
We get a card through the post. Show it at the mairie when we vote (its the polling station) . Well used to. Only 1 of us can vote at the moment. As everyone is obliged to have a Carte de Identitie its a moot point.
The uk screams long and loud if someone says compulsory national id is needed, "its against our civil rights" or some such. Funny how you want it when it suits.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
There is absolutely no check on who is voting when it comes to postal votes
There would be though, if it got close enough to influencing the outcome and there was a recount request from a candidate, yes? That's my understanding of how it works anyway, although I'm not sure where I got that impression from.

I have postal voted for the last few decades, mainly because I never know where I will be in the country on the date of an election and I'm not prepared to have to fly home to exercise my democratic right. I would be happy with whatever extra sensible checks and balances could be introduced to make it more secure, but I don't want to give up the right to have one.
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
There would be though, if it got close enough to influencing the outcome and there was a recount request from a candidate, yes? That's my understanding of how it works anyway, although I'm not sure where I got that impression from.

I have postal voted for the last few decades, mainly because I never know where I will be in the country on the date of an election and I'm not prepared to have to fly home to exercise my democratic right. I would be happy with whatever extra sensible checks and balances could be introduced to make it more secure, but I don't want to give up the right to have one.
I believe that postal voting should be restricted to those who are away through work, infirmity or unplanned necessity. Certainly not those who live their lives on the Costas and just come "home" to use the NHS
 
As someone who works in a polling station when appropriate , I would think the level of personation is minute, to the level that it is not worth considering.
However the level of fraud in postal voting is something that should be of serious concern to all. There is far too little checking of these.
At a physical vote fraud is instantly apparent, if the genuine voter turns up and finds their vote has been used. There is absolutely no check on who is voting when it comes to postal votes
I think the only reason for a postal vote should be illness, if I choose to go on hols etc, that is my choice to disenfranchise myself (as I chose to do with the pole tax).
 

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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