Voting Intentions

manhill

Member
That's not giving, that's taking away. Still waiting to hear what we get in exchange. I see no tangible upsides to the transaction, certainly not enough to match the considerable losses.
I haven't seen a pro's and con's list but but people would give points their own weightings according to their beliefs anyway. Some will weigh taking back control higher than economic effects, others the opposite. Nobody really knows the 'considerable losses' or for that matter the gains in economic terms. Personally I don't want to see the EU collapse over this, it has it's use, just not for us.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
I haven't seen a pro's and con's list but but people would give points their own weightings according to their beliefs anyway. Some will weigh taking back control higher than economic effects, others the opposite. Nobody really knows the 'considerable losses' or for that matter the gains in economic terms. Personally I don't want to see the EU collapse over this, it has it's use, just not for us.

I wasn't even thinking of economics - I'm sure I read somewhere that the EU costs us less than N Ireland, per year, and I don't grudge the £30/head or whatever it is. I was thinking of the real losses such as access to ESA (where we get our medical diagnostic radioisotopes from), ERASMUS (invaluable student exchange programme to educate the next generation), the various science collaborations (including the one that gives us the european GPS system). The first of these really concerns me as the UK relies heavily of access to these things and the worldwide supply chain is patchy to say the least - we are effectively giving up part ownership and surety of supply of some pretty powerful cancer diagnostics and I can't see that being balanced by the intangible "taking back control" (which is itself debatable as many argue we already have control through the various opt outs and vetoes in the treaties).
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Is that referenced Dell Boy? I wouldn't buy a used car from him but he's a means to an end.

He's more like Arthur Daily "The world is my lobster"

upload_2019-5-13_18-7-27.jpeg
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
To be fair, as I outlined above, most have some sort of manifesto.
they stuck to the last one to
had to laugh they interviewed a brexit party candidate on the local news just now and the interviewer said to her you don't have a manifesto the candidate said whats the point nobody sticks to them :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

Agrivator

Member
How Andrew Marr’s hatchet job on Nigel Farage proves the BBC is a propaganda machine for the elite

http://flip.it/whiucG

I think a more accurate description would be '' How Andrew Marr's attempted hatchet job on Nigel Farage backfired spectacularly''. At the end of the interview, Marr looked completely deflated.

Farage says what most of us say in private, when the thought Police are out of earshot. That's why he is so popular despite his many shortcomings.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
they stuck to the last one to
had to laugh they interviewed a brexit party candidate on the local news just now and the interviewer said to her you don't have a manifesto the candidate said whats the point nobody sticks to them :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Nobody had enough of a majority to fulfil their manifesto. I’m not naive enough to expect them always to do everything, but when the country is being ruled by an effective coalition, it would be unfair to judge them against anything other than a compromise.
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
Nobody had enough of a majority to fulfil their manifesto. I’m not naive enough to expect them always to do everything, but when the country is being ruled by an effective coalition, it would be unfair to judge them against anything other than a compromise.
May`s "Deal" is not a compromise, its a surrender! We surrender our voting rights and voice, the EU retains control for an unknown number of years, until it decides to complete our exit, which wont be any time soon while they have their hand in our pockets.
The things you mention above are just recycled project fear, do you really think the eu leaders are going to restrict cancer treatments? They are unpopular in their own countries now, doing that would lead to world wide condemnation, and fuel exit groups.
May had a majority, until that is, she threw it away, largely by listening to "advisers".! She is doing that now, worshipping every word Oily Robbins spouts.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
May`s "Deal" is not a compromise, its a surrender! We surrender our voting rights and voice, the EU retains control for an unknown number of years, until it decides to complete our exit, which wont be any time soon while they have their hand in our pockets.
The things you mention above are just recycled project fear, do you really think the eu leaders are going to restrict cancer treatments? They are unpopular in their own countries now, doing that would lead to world wide condemnation, and fuel exit groups.
May had a majority, until that is, she threw it away, largely by listening to "advisers".! She is doing that now, worshipping every word Oily Robbins spouts.

Not project fear - the world has a shortage of Tc-99 and we are currently part owners in one of main the factories. Hospitals in USA have been cancelling procedures since Chalk Rover in Canada shut down. Believe me, I know what I’m writing about here.
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
I see, but why would we give up our part ownership? We could just as easily make it impossible for the others to run the place. That being the case, something would have to be worked out.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
I see, but why would we give up our part ownership? We could just as easily make it impossible for the others to run the place. That being the case, something would have to be worked out.

It’s the Euratom Supply Agency - it was part of the referendum that we would give up membership alongside the EU. The “factory” is located elsewhere in europe too - not in the UK. There’s one in Belgium (BR2) and another somewhere else I can’t remember (edit, Holland). And no, we can’t make it even difficult for them to use - have you ever tried moving or sabotaging a nuclear reactor? Yes, things can be worked out - we can try and buy on the open market, just like those hositals in the USA do - the ones that have to cancel procedures because of shortages.

http://ec.europa.eu/euratom/observatory_radioisotopes.html

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/POST-PN-0558#fullreport
 
Last edited:

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
It’s the Euratom Supply Agency - it was part of the referendum that we would give up membership alongside the EU. The “factory” is located elsewhere in europe too - not in the UK. There’s one in Belgium (BR2) and another somewhere else I can’t remember (edit, Holland). And no, we can’t make it even difficult for them to use - have you ever tried moving or sabotaging a nuclear reactor? Yes, things can be worked out - we can try and buy on the open market, just like those hositals in the USA do - the ones that have to cancel procedures because of shortages.

http://ec.europa.eu/euratom/observatory_radioisotopes.html

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/POST-PN-0558#fullreport

I think your over egging this. That parliament report does not mention the UK sources but then our nuclear industry is very under cover.
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
Well, as nothing else is as voted for. may be the "working out " may be easier, can only hope. Only reactor I have been near moved its self, the one in HMS Dreadnaught. your link claims that leaving wont effect anything, but in any case, as the plants are approaching the end of their lives we need to put some work into perhaps using one of the reactors in this country to prevent the total loss of these isotopes in future years, if that would be at all possible This would be better use of the millions we give to the eu at the moment.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
Well, as nothing else is as voted for. may be the "working out " may be easier, can only hope. Only reactor I have been near moved its self, the one in HMS Dreadnaught. your link claims that leaving wont effect anything, but in any case, as the plants are approaching the end of their lives we need to put some work into perhaps using one of the reactors in this country to prevent the total loss of these isotopes in future years, if that would be at all possible This would be better use of the millions we give to the eu at the moment.

Current UK reactors are incompatible with Tc-99 production - it’s a research reactor you use, not a power one, and we have none of those left. We could build a new one, but it would be more than the few million you suggest.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 78 43.1%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 63 34.8%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 16.6%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 4 2.2%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

  • 1,286
  • 1
As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
Top