VW Amarok future prices
- Thread starter Beefsmith
- Start date
If the dealer doesn’t claim the vat back when buying it from vw then there’s no vat on it forever. However the price is always what it would be including the vat. It’s because 80% of pickups are bought by private individuals and not business’s who are vat registered.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Not sure he has a choice, I as a VAT reg person cannot buy stuff for say £1 inc vat and sell for £50, without HMRC wanting the tax on the Value added... IE value added tax.
Cowabunga
Member
- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
Are you sure about that? I would say that 80%+ are bought new by businesses that are VAT registered, whether they be farmers, tradesmen or whatever. Used would be a different story and it is quite possible that the majority would be bought by non-VAT registered people.
You are correct about the tax situation and price though. Even when a VAT applicable vehicle is sold on to a non-registered person they have to pay the VAT element, it's just that they can't claim it back. The VAT trail ends there.
Johnnyboxer
Member
- Location
- Yorkshire
A main dealer cannot do that
He’s vat registered
He claims the vat on the wholesale cost of the pickup when he buys it from VW uk
When he sells the VW pickup to a customer he sells it at retail price plus vat
Whether the customer is vat registered or not, matters not
If the customer is vat registered he can claim the vat back, if he isn’t then he can’t
Sorry guys I’ve caused some confusion. All the amaroks with dealers for sale are now classed as 2nd hand because they were all registered by September 20. So the dealers ran them as ‘demo’s’ or managers cars. So you get a used car invoice which is why majority of them are not vat registered. Hopefully that clears it up.
Cowabunga
Member
- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
If the dealer is VAT registered, as all will be, then surely the pickups will be subject to VAT. That is why many ex demo Range Rover's, for instance, are listed as being VAT applicable, because the dealer claimed the VAT back on them as purely business [demo] vehicles but will add it back on for retail resale. In this case it is of no consequence to buyers who will overwhelmingly not be able to reclaim the VAT on a car [not a commercial vehicle] even if it is bought by a VAT registered business.
Last edited:
- Location
- Lincolnshire
They didnt claim the vat back when they bought them?... is that allowed... what did it gain if so? a Farmer can not get the vat back if he buys one.
Johnnyboxer
Member
- Location
- Yorkshire
If they are managers or demo vehicles they will most certainly ‘vat qualifying’
You are incorrect and mistaken
If you buy one ...you will get a vat invoice stating the total price including the vat element
Cowabunga
Member
- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
If the VAT cannot be claimed back, if the vehicle is sold 'No VAT' then it had better be 20% cheaper than one including VAT or it would be useless as a deal for anyone VAT registered.
I think some people are completely confused by how VAT is administered in this topic.
Johnnyboxer
Member
- Location
- Yorkshire
True ^^^
However commercial vehicles sold used and from a seller who isn’t vat registered & thus the vehicle has lost the vat element are generally dearer than vat qualifying commercials as they command a premium for other private buyers - but under the price of commercial plus vat
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I was questioning whether a dealer could voluntarily not claim the VAT on VW's invoice (as implied in an above thread) and then sell on VAT free, but as I said a VAT farmer wouldnt want that.
Sorry, but you may still be miss informed . Even if they are second, third hand. Boss’ mistress truck bought and registered they will have vat. Unless they were sold directly to the salesman/women personally and they are selling them. I doubt this happened!
This is probably to do with the second hand vat margin scheme where by the dealer only pays vat on the profit margin on the vehicle I think, but stand to be corrected but the purchasers cannot claim that element back as its specific to traders.
At the end of the day if the vat hasn't been claimed back originally then it cannot be sold on plus vat, so this comes back tot he supplying dealer. I would think this particular vehicle mentioned could be one thats been repossessed possibly as that would muddy clear waters as well.
At the end of the day if the vat hasn't been claimed back originally then it cannot be sold on plus vat, so this comes back tot he supplying dealer. I would think this particular vehicle mentioned could be one thats been repossessed possibly as that would muddy clear waters as well.
alomy75
Member
I really don’t know what to do with my amarok. 2016 4 cylinder highline. I love it to pieces but it’s done 78000 now. I don’t like that new one; looks too Navara-y. But I also have nothing with ad-Blu on the farm so reluctant to change to a v6 
slim pickings in the DCPU market thesedays…
slim pickings in the DCPU market thesedays…I really don’t know what to do with my amarok. 2016 4 cylinder highline. I love it to pieces but it’s done 78000 now. I don’t like that new one; looks too Navara-y. But I also have nothing with ad-Blu on the farm so reluctant to change to a v6
I'm going to keep my 2013 til its done. Got 115k on it just now, runs like a dream.
alomy75
Member
Think I’ll be doing the same. Never missed a beat since I’ve had it (touchwood) and it’s just perfect for me. Was getting tempted as the trade in is so strong but no doubt the cost will be in the replacement.
I've yet to find anything that is as nice to drive.