- Location
- Yorkshire
£3000 a month isn't a bad wage, I wouldn't mind that much
Wages
- Thread starter combinedoctor
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Bluntly.... You are. You're only here once.Ok a bit of context, the farm is owned outright...someone asked that further up the thread.
I get £10 for every hour I work, no overtime , no holiday pay, no sick pay... dad's mindset is that he doesn't get it so why should I.
I just get the house rent for free...everything else i pay for, heating, council tax, upkeep of the building, electricity. Car insurance?? Is that something that happens like? f**k me I just had to sell my truck as I couldn't afford to run it and your asking if the farm pays for the insurance.
I thought my situation was bad but I'm starting to think I'm getting f**ked more than I thought.
betweenthelines
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- Location
- southwest
But how much profit is the farm making. FAWK you might actually be taking more out of the business than father is.
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
Right oh, if you're not getting holiday pay, sick pay etc you're either self employed and doing all your own taxes and claiming expenses etc or your dad's in the sh*t because he's not following labour laws, so sort that bit out first.Ok a bit of context, the farm is owned outright...someone asked that further up the thread.
I get £10 for every hour I work, no overtime , no holiday pay, no sick pay... dad's mindset is that he doesn't get it so why should I.
I just get the house rent for free...everything else i pay for, heating, council tax, upkeep of the building, electricity. Car insurance?? Is that something that happens like? f**k me I just had to sell my truck as I couldn't afford to run it and your asking if the farm pays for the insurance
I thought my situation was bad but I'm starting to think I'm getting f**ked more than I thought.
If its your herd I assume you're buying the stock too? In which case the money at sale time is yours. That side of the business needs to be separate from the labour side really and needs sorting into a proper agreement which should involve YOUR accountant and lawyer, not your dads.
On the labour side a tenner plus accommodation isn't great if you're self employed but isn't terrible either. Are you getting paid for the hours you do stock work?
You're only young and now you have a family so its not about your dad anymore. Get things sorted properly with contracts and agreements that will help secure your future. Be prepared to leave and start again while you're young if your dad wont listen.
Time to put the big boy pants on.
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- Location
- North Wales
Look for a bit of, off farm, part time work, and tell your father that your struggling a bit for money with the baby so need some extra income. You never know he might offer a better wage, he may not but he will realise when things aren't getting done around the farm because your away working somewhere else.
- Location
- Perthshire (It's a big place!)
Yep every which way.
Thanks for all the feedback. It's never been about the money really we've always just enjoyed working away together on the farm so it was never discussed but obviously there's a conversation to be had now.
- Location
- East meath/dublin
Thanks looks like you need to have a chat about it .. Your old man doesent sound like a bad sort just a bit out of touch .Ok a bit of context, the farm is owned outright...someone asked that further up the thread.
I get £10 for every hour I work, no overtime , no holiday pay, no sick pay... dad's mindset is that he doesn't get it so why should I.
I just get the house rent for free...everything else i pay for, heating, council tax, upkeep of the building, electricity. Car insurance?? Is that something that happens like? f**k me I just had to sell my truck as I couldn't afford to run it and your asking if the farm pays for the insurance
I thought my situation was bad but I'm starting to think I'm getting f**ked more than I thought.
I had the shock of my life when i got married and suddenly had to buy everything from toothpaste up .
The auld fella paid for everything heat electric car etc but we were trying to renovate an old house and my small wage and contracting " extras " were not really enough when kids came along .
I put my case to him and in fairness to him he came up with a solution ... he made me a partner which didnt really give me more weekly money it just allowed me to use the farm cheque book to rob peter to pay paul if you know what i mean .
See how you get on and take it from there and dont say or do anything you might regret softly softly catchee monkee !!!
designanddetail
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If the farm is making less than the £10 and hour skivvy then they should sell up. 560acres owned outright, got to be £4-5million. You could put your feet up and earn more investing it.
How will it lead to food inflation? Farmers can't just pass it on to the customer!
Are you a partner in the business, or simply paid staff? Surely thats the next step?
When I first becamme a partner in my 20's, I drew enough to pay my bills and had a 10% profit share, which was reflective of the responsibility (ie decision making) I was tasked with at the time. This increased to 50% over time (ie dad and ie had similar responsibilities) with the eventual aim that gradually I'd gain a bit more as dad stepped back. Unfortunately he died in 2018 age 66, so that never had chance to happen.
We had divided responsibilities - ie we had our own enterprises that we made decisions on - big ones were discussed, but he who's enterprise was been discussed had the final say, come what may. We both found it useful that we had an objectional conversation before investments, and learned to respect the others decision, wether we agreed or not. I miss that now sometimes to be fair.
It was important to me that I was building my share of the business for my family, not my siblings, and its worked out well really.
Happy to converse via pm if you'd rather, I'm a fairly open book.
That's really valuable, for both parties. A partnership with drawings and profit share is surely the way forward - share the risks and rewards. Your dad will feel less short changed that way.
Ivorbiggun
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- Location
- Norfolk
Let’s face it guys, with all the things you’re expected to do and know. The dedication you have to show, the family life you have to miss out on, farm wages are a fecking joke.
I don't think you are getting that bad a deal, £10 an hour plus a house (that probably £6 hour) so £16/hour that pretty good for working for you dad, I wish I could earn £16 on hour and inherit millions when the old man decide to give it to me.Ok a bit of context, the farm is owned outright...someone asked that further up the thread.
I get £10 for every hour I work, no overtime , no holiday pay, no sick pay... dad's mindset is that he doesn't get it so why should I.
I just get the house rent for free...everything else i pay for, heating, council tax, upkeep of the building, electricity. Car insurance?? Is that something that happens like? f**k me I just had to sell my truck as I couldn't afford to run it and your asking if the farm pays for the insurance
I thought my situation was bad but I'm starting to think I'm getting f**ked more than I thought.
that’s easy then go flip burgers or stack tins in tesco
don’t moan about it go do some thing else
betweenthelines
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- Location
- southwest
But there's a 20 page thread on here of farmers claiming/saying they're not making any money!
If father and son are both doing 50 hrs/week for £10 "skivvy" wages, is the farm making enough profit to cover that?
I suspect the reality is that there's two families trying to live off what is really a one man unit.
Or someone's having a bit of fun with a fake profile
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- 200 miles N,NW of New York
I do agree in part, however if the lack of money in the lads household is a bit of a problem, coupled with long hours, this can be a bit of a strain on the marriage at times, and it usually starts to surface when the kids start school, as the mother has more contact with other mothers talk and that don't always help,
And it needs to be weigh up, is it worth keeping with lacking in both your time and cash, for to end up with neither in years to come,
On the other side of the story, and we are only hearing 1 side, is there any brothers and sisters to the OP, it might be a case of the old man living a very modest lifestyle, along with paying the OP not much, in order to save as much cash as possible of the likes of a sister to set her up at some point in life,
The OP along with others in same position cannot expect to get the farm and the likes of a sister get nothing, it's 2022 now not 1922.
The OP must be wondering if he is being had, ( along with others reading his post)
At the same time there will be fathers on here reading the post to see what the responses are on how their situation is panning out,
I really appreciate and understand the most situations, it seems in general the fathers treat the sons as they were treated when they were the lads by there fathers.
And in some, not all it can stifle the situation a bit of the this is how it's always been done,
I do think in a lot of cases where the farm is owned, the land should be split off from the business, then the business split off to a 60% to the father, and 40% to the son.
This has a 2 fold advantage.
Firstly the father with 60% still has the over ruling say, so they don't feel as though they have lost the control of the job, along with the fact the land is still in there hands.
The son having 40%, can see what the farm is making, and jointly can make plans for moving the business forward. This coupled with focusing the mind on the son for running the farm at a later date, and the father can let the son decide more on the running, as he feels the need to do so, yet still in control of it with 60% say.
This also let's the sons wife see what's going on if she has any doubts, as some may see that it's all for nothing, yet if they can see what's going on it can and is better in the long run, and farming is a long run.
Now the subject of divorce, yes it still happens, and that is why a lot of old folk don't want to hand over the reins to the next generation, but in the formula above, at the very most the ex wife can only take 20% of the farm business, ( not any land )
Yes I know its a risk, but we all have to take risks to get anywhere, but this is risk limitation, bit like getting your sub cheque, but limiting tax to be paid as it were.
Now as the business may pay for some things, both the father and son will have there share of profit if there is any, but as I said before, which being a partner in the business focuses the mind on cash generation and spending limitation,
Secondly, if the son can live on 40%, then why not the father do so as well, meaning the father could put aside 20% of his profit for the daughter etc, to help set them up later in life,
To all them thinking there getting a bad wage of the old man, or them saying it, it removes all doubts if there a partner and see what's going on, and same goes for the wives etc, but remember you may be either way up or down on wages for the year, as it might come as a shock if the father is making less than the son to start with.
However this may be a good point to grow the business to increase the profits long term
remember the land is still owned by the father and 60% of farm business this way, yet offers an easier transaction to the next generation
toquark
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Eventually the increased prices will trickle down (or up). If no one can afford to pay staff on the prices they receive and those goods begin to dwindle, retailers/buyers will have no option but to increase price. I accept that on an individual farm level they have little control but over the whole industry things will change eventually.