Wales NVZ, stocking rate at 170kg/ha N.

Jdunn55

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Lack of consultation, evidence, legality, an endless list a good legal team could devour.
Good, all you need is a legal team willing to fight, ideally one already with something against the current welsh government, have there been any large scale planning refusals that have gone to court? Whoever defended them would be interested I should think or atleast that's where I would start, whatever you do, I wouldnt just blindly trust the nfu, this should have been blocked well before it reached a voting stage
 

vantage

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Livestock Farmer
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Pembs
Good, all you need is a legal team willing to fight, ideally one already with something against the current welsh government, have there been any large scale planning refusals that have gone to court? Whoever defended them would be interested I should think or atleast that's where I would start, whatever you do, I wouldnt just blindly trust the nfu, this should have been blocked well before it reached a voting stage
The NFU submitted loads of evidence without reply. The minister has lied through her teeth.
 

frederick

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Location
south west
How so? What's the plans???
That's the problem we don't know.
Potentially 6 months storage more or less certain for anything new. Covered slurry stores.
Reducing ammonia emissions from cattle housing. New design standards for new buildings.
Closed periods for spreading across the whole country. No splash plating slurry.
14k cost of establishing the permit. Annual renewal in the 1000s the ea enforcing it has to be paid from somewhere.
Large pig units already have to deal with it.
Likely to see comparable requirements to our northern European counterparts.

All of this is speculation and worst case scenario could be far worse.

In my view likely to be the biggest shake up of the dairy industry since we gave up the milk churn.
 

vantage

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Pembs
That's the problem we don't know.
Potentially 6 months storage more or less certain for anything new. Covered slurry stores.
Reducing ammonia emissions from cattle housing. New design standards for new buildings.
Closed periods for spreading across the whole country. No splash plating slurry.
14k cost of establishing the permit. Annual renewal in the 1000s the ea enforcing it has to be paid from somewhere.
Large pig units already have to deal with it.
Likely to see comparable requirements to our northern European counterparts.

All of this is speculation and worst case scenario could be far worse.

In my view likely to be the biggest shake up of the dairy industry since we gave up the milk churn.
It’ll be fine.
We’ll just import what we need, we’re a rich nation, out of sight out of mind!
If as you say will needed, then I wouldn’t bother, there will not be enough critical mass of producers to warrant any dairy processing.
 

Wombat

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BASIS
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East yorks
if the welsh assembly sacked all the handshakers in nrw that are giving favours to the worst polluters, i bet most of the ongoing pollution incidents would stop, probably nvz wouldnt be needed then

In england a big chunk of our NVZ 20yrs ago came down to the local treatement works but they didn't care and have never even considered removing
 
That's the problem we don't know.
Potentially 6 months storage more or less certain for anything new. Covered slurry stores.
Reducing ammonia emissions from cattle housing. New design standards for new buildings.
Closed periods for spreading across the whole country. No splash plating slurry.
14k cost of establishing the permit. Annual renewal in the 1000s the ea enforcing it has to be paid from somewhere.
Large pig units already have to deal with it.
Likely to see comparable requirements to our northern European counterparts.

All of this is speculation and worst case scenario could be far worse.

In my view likely to be the biggest shake up of the dairy industry since we gave up the milk churn.
That would likely see the end of most of the smaller farms.
I am currently in a NVZ but certainly won’t be spending the sort of money required to comply with the above to stay in milk.
 

Dead Rabbits

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Location
'Merica
Interesting thread. In the US there are federal standards to meet regarding confined animal feeding operations.(Any area used for feeding livestock for more than 45 consecutive days) Then each state can use the federal standard or make additional requirements.

In my home state of Kansas the state decided to pass a bunch of laws and it wiped out a lot of small dairy farms. For some reason beef farms are still untouched. . Same thing you will be facing there. Older people farming at the end of their careers and uninterested in spending the money to comply so they sell out.
Of the dairy farms I saw in England not many would have a permit in Kansas. 6 months storage minimum, no such thing as dirty water, it’s all manure. Soil tests and maximums not to be exceeded etc. Oh and if someone complains about you there will be an inspection, at your expense.

Go across the border and the laws change yet again.
 

RJ1

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Location
Wales
Do we think Kirsty Williams's desire to remain a Inistrr for another couple of months rather than vote against the regs might lose the Lib Dems Brecon and Radnorshire? They were on rocky ground with her stepping down anyway.

Might she have done the maths and worked out the vote would be lost anyway? Even so, principles used to matter....
 

RJ1

Member
Location
Wales
If there is to be a legal challenge, it must be a united front and not just NFU Cymru.

I agree. This is cross-industry and every representative body should get on board.

There are many elements which seem irrational and possibly unlawful.

I haven't read the regulatory impact assessment in detail but one thing which strikes me, particularly with the low level of funding attached, is that tenant farmers may well be discriminated against. Cases often turn on obscure issues rather than the obvious.

Personally, having just dug a big lagoon in anticipation of future regs(albeit not so soon!) my main concern is the effective capping rate by reference to N from manure.

Not sure how to link but there's a video on Facebook from balls.ie - a sketch comparing slurry deadline day to the closing of the football transfer window. Funny but shows how farcical the regs are!
 

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