Walter P...Brexit..Farmers...Turkeys

Pond digger

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
East Yorkshire
Interesting question.

The European Commission is good at negotiations, because that's what it is designed for - whilst Westminster has proved not only incompetent (which is understandable, because it wasn't what it is designed for) but also weak and unrealistic (which is something I suspect many UK citizens do not overlook so easily).

As a result, the UK Government looks perilously close to failing, while the Commission continues to function. So there's the most realistic answer.

It's not a very palatable answer to the English, nor a very comfortable answer to the rest of us. Wales is largely federalised and we can experience the variable quality of governance from Brussels, Westminster and Cardiff.

The only one that is visibly both incompetent and dishonest is Westminster.

It's a very sad observation.

Author's Note: the over-sensitivity of the English to any criticism, even mildly implied, is probably because they don't like how things have turned out for them. It doesn't help that, today, they have no idea what to do about it.

Brussels is just too remote from the UK electorate, and that’s why many voted out. Most would sooner trust their governance to Westminster, where they feel they have a chance to influence decision making: it’s just common sense really, whether you can see it or not.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
You've been told about 5 billion times, if it wont sink in, it never will, you can never tell us the end game of the nation state within the EU and ever closer union.

Why are you obsessed with the short term? this short term 5 year period politics is why we're in such a sh!t heap situation, when you take on a tenancy, you plan for the next 25 years if possible, the same goes for Brexit, since when were farmers short termist's? especially when they usually spread their costs over years to keep the tax bill down.

Rubbish, if you have got cancer now, a cure in 25 years time is no ffing use.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Ahem migrants crisis, Monsanto and google spending billions to lobby them, Euro zone in crisis longer than i's been in prosperity, imagine if they ran the NHS with that sort of politics.

What has any of this got to do with corruption? The migrant crisis is a problem in the Schengen area and I personally think the EU is being very wet in dealing with them, but this is their problem not the UK's.
 

Jackov Altraids

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
Interesting question.

The European Commission is good at negotiations, because that's what it is designed for - whilst Westminster has proved not only incompetent (which is understandable, because it wasn't what it is designed for) but also weak and unrealistic (which is something I suspect many UK citizens do not overlook so easily).

As a result, the UK Government looks perilously close to failing, while the Commission continues to function. So there's the most realistic answer.

It's not a very palatable answer to the English, nor a very comfortable answer to the rest of us. Wales is largely federalised and we can experience the variable quality of governance from Brussels, Westminster and Cardiff.

The only one that is visibly both incompetent and dishonest is Westminster.

It's a very sad observation.

Author's Note: the over-sensitivity of the English to any criticism, even mildly implied, is probably because they don't like how things have turned out for them. It doesn't help that, today, they have no idea what to do about it.


This would be an example of your 'dodgy dossier' type posts.
Your opinion is expressed as fact with no supporting evidence and then try to undermine anyone making a counter argument for being over sensitive!
If you could please provide some examples of how good the EU is at negotiating, and start with explaining just how brilliant the deal with Turkey taking immigrants was.
I pride myself on being as objective as it is possible to be and am most perturbed by the general lack of objectivity in recent times. Anyone that can't accept that Brexit holds both benefits and negatives is flawed in their thinking.

I would finally suggest that if you are correct, the fact that dishonesty and incompetence is visible at Westminster is a good thing. Politicians are pretty much the same the world over so the others are simply doing a better job of hiding it!!!
 
As a longtime reader of the Daily Telegraph, of preference, and being 59 years old, and not unintelligent,
I have reasonably formed, over some 40 years, to discount the vagaries of my youthful thinking, some fact-based opinions about the probity of our various levels of Governance,(starting with, for instance, our very own deeply flawed RHI scheme)
simply put, the larger and more removed from the electorate, the greater opportunities for unpunished underperformance, to be very kind,
and to be blunt, downright corruption, either for personal gain, or ones fellow countrymen's dishonest benefit.
In evidence I merely cite the unaudited/unauditable EC accounts, this over many years, i.e. money cannot be found or accounted for, so on balance of probability, corruption.
The long running thread on this forum regarding the HBOS/LLoyds bank fiasco merely proves that generally known, and widely accepted truths can be very hard to prove, with wily lawyers doing what wiley lawyers do.
Not suggesting that you are, or were, any kind of wiley lawyer Walter.
cheers
Marcus
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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